GPS Navigators - Here we go again....
Submitted: Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:00
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Mr Fawlty
Well the post Xmas sales are now on and me being a skinflint saw a GPS Navigator at Power House for $169 and likewise JB HIFI for $229 and Good Guys for $169....
Ok so if I say that I have been thinking, waiting and watching for one of these gadjets for a while and of course could not resist at least having a peek at those "on sale".
Ok so the fun bit was asking the various sales persons (read cretins) to demonstrate them. INVARIABLY none of these sales persons could get the merchandise to work "instore", I may not know much about these things but one thing I do know is that they will not be able to find a satelite indoors. I had hours of fun making helpful suggestions.... One
young cretin who was particularly inexperienced even offered me a further discount of $50!!!! if I would pay for the cost of repair, it was a superceeded model "Soniqu" brand, imagine the fun updating it....
So here I am still pondering the purchase of a GPS Navigator..... I still think maybe the ALDI one will be the go but Tom Tom looks good too, I should point out that I want a GPS Navigator that navigates Australiai wide, I have no need for MP3, JPEG, AVI, Bluetooth or Wurlitzer Theatre Organ compatibility nor does the device need to interface with the RFDS, RTA or Cityrail.............
Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:10
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:10
But it does need to be able to home in on casual skirt .... hahahahaha
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 19:44
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 19:44
I read this 4 times and am still none the wiser, I even typed casual and skirts into CITY NAVIGATOR 2008 and it told me that those two streets do not cross hahahahah
I think I might need a lie down
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 09:37
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 09:37
Back to your goats this is tooooooooooo techo for you hahahaha
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 14:25
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 14:25
hahaha it still bleats me that ewe are on about. Butt I will perservere
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:22
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:22
In case some of you dont know some mobile phones can run GPS which is handy because you dont need to carry more stuff around. The phone does not need to be a GPS phone. EG I have a nokia N73 which uses symbian OS. I got a bluetooth GPS recieve from ebay for $80, they are now closer to $50. I now have a full GPS system. Nokia or the seller will not tell you about gps or support you but who gives a damn. There is a choice of software, nokia even has their own. tomtom is also available. This could save some $$ and also the pain of owning more crap.
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:30
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 14:30
Dick Smith will let you buy it, open it, use it and return it for full refund in 7 days if you keep your reciept. Take it home and try it.
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Reply By: wigger - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:33
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:33
Hi Mr Fawlty, Unfortunately this is not a good area in which to opt for the cheapest. You will get what you pay for as a prevous poster found out. Aldi sell 'Tevion' branded electronic stuff and if the GPS units are anything like the DVD recorders they sold then you will get something with questionable backup, lack of software updating and crappy 'user friendly' procedures.
There are good units round like the Garmin 250 or W250 (and No, I dont have one) or Tom Toms that are great to use. There are so many features(like a browse facility) that you are unaware of when looking, that you need to talk to someone who has a good one. Where are you? You can borrow
mine if you're near.
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (Narangba QLD - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:54
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:54
Mr Faulty
Navigators with route directions etc are based around large metropolitan areas rather than the outback. Some will show main roads between large centres.
To show where you are etc away from a large centre you will need some other map product such as OZTOPO but these require a navigator with upload facility to hold extra maps such as on storage cards like SD cards.
To get this you need to spend a little more than the cheapest one around.
http://www.doug-and-dusty.id.au/maps.htm
Doug and Dusty's site has good information on what you get or what you may need once you are clear on what you want from the navigator.
I am using a Garmin SP7200 with City navigator 2008 for around town and will put OZTOPO V2 on it for out of town when it becomes available in a couple of weeks.
I also have a laptop with Oziexplorer I can break out if I need to get serious and of course I always carry a full set of paper maps.
I used to run the laptop onto a secondary touch screen but fearfull of running the harddrive over rough roads, I now use the solid state navigator when mobile.
Trust some of this may be helpful. It is a big topic with many alternatives and as stated above, try to use or see some alternatives before buying.
Alan
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Reply By: Member No 1- Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 17:22
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 17:22
"I had hours of fun making helpful suggestions"...why did you waste so much time?...i would have told them they were cretins in the first few minutes .....
any how get a nouvi..or what ever it is..pay good bucks and get something decent
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 17:24
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 17:24
Sorry to rain on your parade Basil, but NO device will give you Australia wide coverage out of the box.
TomTom is very good for guided direction from point A to point B in the metro areas of all Australian cities, but I don't think the detail is good enough for travel in remote areas.
Probably, the one single device that comes close is the Garmin range of GPS Navigators which give you city navigation "out of the box" and the ability to add Tracks 4 Australia, or the delayed release of OZTOPOv2.
I find the practicality of dual units suit me best and I have a TomTom Go 720 for around town and OziExplorer running on a PDA for Australia wide moving map coverage.
One word of warning. Regardless of the brand of GPS Navigator unit you end up with, the cheaper models will not provide the full range of functionality that the more expensive units do.
An example is with the TomTom range. The lower end units will not recalculate an alternative route if you deviate from the one it gives you. The higher range will recalculate and offer a revised route, based on one of several selections, such as fastest route, main roads only, toll road inclusion, or exclusion, etc.
Look for devices that provide free upgrades for map revisions,(TomTom does) and the ability to purchase additional maps if going overseas. (again TomTom has a range of International Country maps for purchase.
Oh, and I wouldn't ridicule the in-store demonstrations. Most units will find satellites if you are in a single story building, but multi story buildings block all satellite reception, regardless of the brand. Virtually all units will now use the SiRF Star III Chipset.
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Follow Up By: wigger - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 18:46
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 18:46
Sandman, If you're talking about every bit of tar or secondary gravel then the Garmins with V7 city navigator do give you Aust wide coverage. straight out of the box. Am in the Uki area at the moment and drove through the Jerusalem Nat Pk to Mullumbimby and all the roads were marked. Likewise the Mebbin S F and off the Kyogle road into ther Border Rranges N P. All the roads were marked. Anything not requiring 4WD is there. Thats why Mr Fawlty should focus on something like this or a Tom Tom.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 20:02
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 20:02
Wigger,
"Anything not requiring 4WD is there"
Isn't that what this
forum is all about???
I don't claim any knowledge of the Garmin product at all, but I see continual reference to people adding T4A, Shonky Maps, or OZTOPOv2 , (when it becomes available) to provide expanded coverage "out back".
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 20:13
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 20:13
I beg to differ, I did many 4wd tracks in the
Vic high country that were on City Navigator 6. Had Ozi running too just in case but alomost every track was on the Garmin GPS, same thing up
the Pyrenees too.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:06
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:06
Me too. My Mio C220:
C220
recently guided me over the Davies Plain in the
Vic High Country and that is, most definitely, 4WD country. It showed every track the 1:25000 Vic Fire maps on Ozi Ex showed including the one which wasn't there! :)
It also recalculates roots - anything which doesn't is not worth the money!
And, Fawlty, it has this really sexy English female voice :)
And the price was good too... free from Harvey Norman when I upgraded to NextG.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:12
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:12
I hear you Bonz.
I have noticed TomTom was pretty good on a recent trip to SA's
York Peninsula, but I have not tried it in remote areas and therefore am unable to assess it's remote accuracy and give accurate feedback to the
forum at this stage.
I am heading to Anna
Creek Station during
Easter and will get a better handle on its usefulness then for outback travel, but my gut feel is that I will not be giving up on OziExplorer, which does a lot of other stuff too. I don't believe there is anything as good as the ability to have a moving map capability that relates directly to a printed map, like Ozi does when coupled to NATMAP Raster Premium.
I actually have both TomTom Navigator 6 and CoPilot Live 6 available on the PDA and although I can run multiple applications from the one GPS feed, it is impossible to flip between applications because both Navigator and CoPilot take over the whole screen. Therefore I need to start Ozi, then one of the others, but close them down before I can access Ozi again.
Now I just run Ozi on the PDA and TomTom on its stand-alone hardware platform.
TrackRanger looks to be OK as
well, but I think I have enough toys to play with:-))
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 14:34
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 14:34
Sand Man I have referred this post to the Moderators for your liberal and uncalled for use of the term
".....I think I have enough toys to play with:-))"
Action will be swift, I am sure.
Now onto the other content of your response I too have Ozi and Tom Tom and MIO and something else that I dont use anymore since Tom Tom made its mark, and also run Mapsource with City Navigator 5,6,7 and 2008 as
well as tracks4Australia and Metroguide 4 and also Garmin nRoute, but I only really use the GPS for directions and Ozi for where I am, cause in the bush I want to go where I want to go and all I want is to know where I am..
The Pyrenees trip proved Ozi invaluable on the PDA.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 17:07
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 17:07
OK, you win Bonz, you've got more navigation toys than me.
Fun, isn't it.
I do have one more that I don't use a lot now, but it is a good "backup" and is of additional use out on the
water.
I have a Magellan Meridian Platinum Marine GPS, but compared to the detail on OziExplorer, it sucks. I lashed out and installed DiscoverOz and Outback Tracks of Australia on it but Magellan lost me when they wanted far to much to upgrade to the topographical maps they subsequently released. I told them in no uncertain terms they could should their technology up their a*se. (whoops, that would incur the Moderator's moderation.)
Actually, Doug nearly convinced me to buy a Garmin Nuvi, but as I had already become familiar with TomTom on the PDA, I decided on the Go720. It is very good too, for what it does. Extremely quick to lock on to Satellites and quick recalculation of route when you ignore the recommended direction, without insisting you perform a U-turn.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 20:08
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 20:08
Basil,
Another option you may like to consider.
If you buy your chosen product from Harvey Norman, you have the option of electing to take out a two year "contract" to pay it off.
The advantage is, for a few dollars extra, you have total replacement insurance cover if the device is stolen. You simply pay $100 excess and you will get a brand new unit.
Also, should a new model come out in that period, you can elect to upgrade.
This may be of value to you if you choose a higher end brand/model.
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Reply By: Philip A - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 21:24
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 21:24
On this subject, I have been agonising over getting City navigator for my old Garmin V.
I did a
check on their demo site for
Birdsville and none of the Simpson tracks were shown.
Did a seach on
Hawker and very few Flinders tracks were shown.
I am now leaning towards a nuvi 250 or 250 W, because ou can see em better and get city navigator with them for only a bit more than the program.
But I would still have to buy oziexplorer and map packs to get 4WD tracks I think.
Any thoughts on best way to go, ie Nuvi, plus what maps on SD?
Regard sPhilip A
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 11:58
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 11:58
Hi Philip,
I have the Garmin V and put City Navigator V7 on it. I bought my wife the Nuvi 660 and it came with a second unlock code thus got the maps for my GPS V for free.
Anyway, while the mapping is good the processor is slow - it takes over a minute to calculate a long route whereas the Nuvi 660 does it in a second or two. Also, when recaluclating a route (like a wrong turn) it takes ages thus you miss the next turn and it recalulates again and sometimes unless you stop it ends up in a loop trying to recalculate while you keep moving. But overall I wish I had bought the maps for the GPSV when I originally got it, it is a great navigator.
I would go for the new nuvi 760, it has the cookie crumb trail and routing capability unlike the rest of the nuvi range including the nuvi 660. It is $$$ but worth it IMHO if you are used to the GPS V features (imagine not being able to create a route but only navigate to one waypoint at a time).
As for other maps, i have T4A and find this good for offroad areas but it is not routable. Note that oziexplorer does not run on any garmin GPS.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Philip A - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 13:50
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 13:50
Captain, Thank you for your helpful reply.
My primary need for GPS mapping is for country work, hence looking at the viability of ditching the old GPS V. I am old fashioned and use directories in cities.
I am considering the City Navigator 7 ( either stand alone or included in a Nuvi) to give me better country maps than the basic Pacific maps, but it does not seem to include many 4WD tracks anyway.
I do not want to spend $800 or so on a new unit when the old GPSV knows its lat and long just as
well, unless there is payback with better maps, and this does not seem to be the case.
I think the Garmin will give moving position on a laptop via Ozexplorer , but the navigator has said "over her dead body".
Ah
well, looks like its maps then.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 15:24
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 15:24
Hi Philip,
I too used to prefer maps in the city to a GPS but I am now a convert. I travel interstate and internationally occasionally with work hence need to find my way around. I no longer bother with paper maps and simply rely on the Nuvi 660 - it is that good and convenient (I borrow the wifes Nuvi- the V is too old for international maps).
While the GPS may not get you via the quickest route in an area you know (ie. taking the local shortcuts) I have yet to find a quicker way than the GPS in an unfamiliar area.
I am suprised at the number of 4WD tracks that are on the V7 mapset. Granted they are all not there, but a very high percentage are - the basic Pacific mapset is VERY poor. And when they are not, simply flick across to T4A (a free download) - and I have yet to come across a track not on it.
Years ago I used to swear by the paper maps and my ability to navigate in the city but now the GPS's are so good they even tell you which lane to be in on the freeways - not even paper maps are that good!!!
Cheers
Captain
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 21:36
Saturday, Dec 29, 2007 at 21:36
Mr Faulty.
The only Australian unit is produced by Melway publishing, if you have ever used a Melway map you know they are the best, it has all of Aus up to date with annual updates. Sold by RACV. not cheap but the only unit with a future in my opinion. $699 to members. Most other brands use Telstra maps that have about a 2year delay between a new street being made and it appearing on the map.
I don't have one or do I own the company[unfortunately]. Eric.
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Reply By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 08:30
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 08:30
I work at dickies and i do reconmend either the high more expensive rang of navigators as support is readily available, also to take out the extended warranty as it is new for old or the same unit if still current.
personally i run a navman pin 570 with tomtom v6 software and 2006 maps. and it runs better then when it had smartst crap on it. I'll be updating maps as soon as i get a bigger mmc card, when i have some money!
Just got married 6 weeks ago!!!
Well started my first life sentence, HEHEHEHEHEHEHe!!!
Loving it so far!!!
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 09:59
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 09:59
After only 6 weeks I'll bet you are still in love LOL!!!! Have you come up for air yet???
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Reply By: Jim from Best Off Road - Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 09:18
Sunday, Dec 30, 2007 at 09:18
Bas,
I got an Aldi one about a month ago, it gets me from A to B without too much trouble.
As for the software,
well this thing tried to take me down the Eastlink Tollway which isn't open yet, so it must be fairly up to date. According the the handbook, updating the maps is readily available on the internet.
Jim.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:14
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:14
Ok.... all points noted including Harding's some what double entrendre "It also recalculates roots - anything which doesn't is not worth the money!
And, Fawlty, it has this really sexy English female voice :)
Yes
well I can recalculate a root in my brain as to a sexy Egnlish female voice...
well thats why I married Sybil...
Seriously, I spent some quality time yesterday with a guy at Hardly Normal who seemed to know his job and he concurs with what you chaps have said. Elcheapos generally very good in urban areas, not so flash elsewhere, but will work satisfactorily on "major routes"
Showed me a Garmin that has 3 modes, pedestrian, driving and OFF ROAD.... costs $476.... but also said that the Tom Toms will do the same job and are cheaper and easier to update etc... so maybe the tom tom will get my $$$
Now to Gramps caustic smart a s s remark about homing in on casual skirt
well guess what, go on guess.... among the POI in the Garmin were listed BROTHELS & much to the amusement of the guy demonstrating it (worked inside to) it gave us clear directions to the Mi Mi club in Fyshwick which of course I can neither confirm nor deny were correct.....He must have wondered what an antique like moi would want to know this for, but I explained like some people hang out around railway yards noting every nuance of activity I hang out around brothels noting the comings and goings of our elected representatives....On my pension I could not afford to venture inside....
He did not have the Mio that Harding got free, BUGGER...
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:52
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 10:52
Knew it would be high on your list of priorities hahahahaha
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