Nursing a sore face and crook ribs tonight.

Hi All
Great to see you have the GUTS to do something about these so call Men .Our Country is going down the Tube.
I feel sorry for my Grandchildren,Gone are the days where men never hit women,& if you had a fight with some one who ever won you or he would offer you hand & it was over,now their mates will kick the Shhiiiii out of you.THESE ARE NOT MEN

I am 71 years old & still don't take a backward step All through I wish I had on a few times LOL

look what having "GUTS" did for tht bloke in Melbourne recently who got shot dead. or the bloke in WA on the beach.

its different to the old days, people couldnt give a flying carrot about another person living or dying... they would kill you as soon as look at you and not even flinch. Agree 200% they are not men.

I agree, the old days, 1 on 1 fights, over and done with go home, now its 20 on 1 to be fair apparently.

Sadly its coming to the point where people have to think before stepping in.

What are you blokes talking about. Seems some people have a very short memory of what the "good" old days wre like. There has always been violence where gangs of youths pick on a single person. This is not a 21st century phenomenon.

Australia was colonised by the British because of excessive violence and crime so please don't sanitise history like it is some fairy tale where there's mutual respect.

Good and bad people have always been around.
Congratilations Kim for doing your bit. Hopefully someone will be there for you if youneed simillar support.

R.

Fred

It does'nt matter. One of those things.

Regards

Kim

Cheers mate.....Keep smiling :-))

The bleep translates to p i s s e d

Even ExplorOz is going beyond the pale......lol

Willem, I know where ya com'in from mate, but blokes like CLC50, at 71, Kim, me at 60, and I am sure many others, have trouble turning away from these pr...s. I spent many years in a suit of blue, and will never let myself or any innocent bystander be intimidated by such scumbags, who get it off by inflicting "fear" as they perceive it, whether chemically induced or otherwise.
We do not know the circumstances that led to Kim's situation, but we are all familiar with the picture being portrayed here .
O.K. bring on the do gooders....

Kim, saw the heading and thought he's been in a blue again ! When are you going to start being a lover instead of a fighter LOL

I hope the day never comes when I need to step in again. I like to think I'm older and wiser now. The truth is they'd breathe on me and be up for manslaughter :)))

Fred........to get involved physically at your age you need a convincer in your pocket otherwise you will get your head kicked in.

"assault with a deadly weapon"?

Why is there no respect anymore ???

Thats whats the whole issue boils down to! Respect.to others.

Axle.

Axle, right on the money.
But it's up to us to teach our kids the meaning of respect, and I don't mean give em a hiding, and to behave in a manner so that they can learn to respect the most important people in the world to them, us.

Footy


Yes. If you wanted to become involved. Thats what I am saying.


Axle

Its a dog eat dog world as portrayed by tv, media and stupid computer games. The latter teaches ever so sublimally not to have respect for anything. Poor education and substance abuse coming down through the generations add to the social decline in some areas of our society.


Cheers

Willem, I could not agree more. Parental guidance is one thing but you cannot protect the youth from the mode of the media. Anything on tv that aims to protect people is repelled as too harsh but the bleep e that gets accepted as normal is also found on special in KMart.

i try, a concerned parent/

Willem

As usual you talk a lot of sense. Particularly about values.

I did a dum thing, but in all that, a young fella helped me out.

Yes, I do get into trouble from time to time but it's not for the wrong reasons.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

Regards

Kim

Respect and accountability went out the window when corporal punishment was abolished from the Court System and any sort of physical discipline disallowed by teachers and parents.

Citizens are now reaping the "rewards" of that way of thinking.

Sand Man,

"Respect and accountability went out the window when corporal punishment was abolished from the Court System and any sort of physical discipline disallowed by teachers and parents."

That's the ticket! Bring back the lash! Some of those better known Islam Sharia punishments would appeal?

nats.

No Nats,

It would appear you may be one of the "new breed" who opposes any form of physical punishment. Well mate, look where it has got us. What is your solution then?.......education?......yeah right.

There was nothing wrong with the Principal or Senior Master giving out a serve or two with the cane.

I received one or two, wasn't maimed by the act and didn't experience any mental trauma as a result.

I had more respect for the teacher's I couldn't "bluff" and it did make one think whether "playing up" was worth the physical punishment.

I also worked out pretty quickly, how far I could push my dad, before I got a clip behind the ears.

The fact was, this system worked better than any other that has been tried.

Now, kids have got rights! They can sue their parents at will, can leave home and be payed by us taxpayers to live somewhere where they are unsupervised. Parents have no control over their kids anymore.......a great system.....NOT!

Sandman,
Two issues. One - you refer to the lack of physical punishment in the court system. What do you refer to - flogging, breaking rocks? Secondly, I am astounded that you really believe that allowing principals and senior masters to cane students would somehow create a society where there is reliable mutual respect. That is a big jump and worryingly simplistic. The parlous state of our society has a great deal to do with the loss of traditional values not traditional punishments. I spent much of my working life as a teacher and, in the later years as a high school principal, and the very difficult students I dealt with were often bashed by their parents, unsupervised because those charged with raising them were alcoholics or addicted to other drugs, or the students were indulged and spoilt. Poverty is a huge issue as is the influence of advertising and marketing. Most students were, however, just ordinary people who did the best they could, struggling to form an identity in a world that they often saw as uncaring and scary. Caning the difficult ones would have resulted in more damage to school property etc. Some parents do not have any control of their children but this is not because they do not use corporal punishment. Think about those wretched families you see in the supermarket who have misbehaving children - do they not invariably hit their kids as they abuse them? It is very disappointing and frustrating to see views such as yours put forward as some kind of solution. The clock cannot be turned back no matter how much we might want to. Many parents work two jobs to pay mortgages etc. and are not able to put the time in with their kids. Parents who ran small businesses were often exhausted and battling to understand their children.

nats.

Well said nats.

There have been some very complex social changes occur in Western societies over the past 50 years which are far more likely to have contributed to this issue than the absence of corporal punishment: the misconception by many that money/possessions equates to happiness is probably chief amongst them.

Additionally, I always been confused by the logic which says "violence is bad and should not be used as a means to an end - and in order to teach you that we're going to beat you up a bit"?

Mike Harding

Sandman, Nats, Mike

I went from a State School to a Private Boarding School in the 1950's

Corporal punishment was rife in those days. I was a naughty kid who always got mixed up with delinquent mates and almost every week I was up before the House Master or Head Master for a flogging. My arse became so hard after a while that it was a game to us to see who couild withstand the most floggings. After one overdose of the cane I was sent to the school clinic and after that the school doctor warned the teachers off from this practise for a while. However it continued.

As a 'newboy' i had to undergo a year of initiation by my peers. This included a kick up the backside or fist to the shoulder but not in the face. I couldn't understand the meaning of this and when we became seniors our group stopped this practise all together. But is flared up again and in the early '80's a student died as a result of initiation and it ceased forthwith then, forever.

In my Matric year at school a group of us were called to the Headmasters office for some misdemeanor and the Head Master was standing behind his desk flexing the cane. My mate John piped up to tell the Head Master that if he insisted on flogging grown men(big boys) then he would like to remind the Head Master that we were on the 2nd floor of the building and that injuries sustained from a fall could be severe. We were never called back to the office again.

All the floggings I received did not do me any harm( I think) but it was a pointless exercise and I am pleased that later generations have found the courage to dispense with it.

Although we sometimes feel outraged at what others get away with, words and education are of more benefit than physical violence.


Cheers

Willem, an excellent example of the "he with the biggest stick wins" philosophy.
Sadly when physical punishment was taken away from parents and teachers, there was very little put in place to replace it.
As a society we didn't ask "what now?", we were too busy trying to make a living.

I was caned once (got the six for laying a kid twice my size out..he told me he was going to kill me and I believed him).
The only thing I learned from that experience was that if you were going to retaliate, do it where you can't get caught and make sure there are no witnesses.

As for the hypocracy of violence to teach peace. It's the same hypocracy that schools and society currently parctice in reverse.
"Johnny, you must never ever thump, gouge, bully and trip anyone; it's very very wrong."

(But if you do it really well on the football field, we'll make you a multi million dollar "star".)

Grumps,
I have to agree with you.

If Kim has done what he says he has done then good on him (Why take such a huge risk at your age?).

But to post it on a 4WD forum??? I can't see the sense in that.. unless (gees I hope not)


Regards

Richard

There are many topics posted on this forum that have little resemblence to 4wd'ing, and in most cases are the more popular ones.
Kim being an active member who contributes regularly to this forum, obvioulsy wanted to share his experience with us, and got a great response.
IMHO Good onya Kim

I think most of the regulars on this site see trhe otrher regulars as mates, and feel like sharing. I felt the same when my 12 tear old hurt himself. Hope you are feeling better soon Kim
Cheers Pete

Look out it's the "Milky Bar Kid (well kid at heart)" LOL

Keep up the good work Kim

Cheers Kev

LMAOROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kev that was brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any-one notice how the youngsters hunt in packs these days. Not game to have a go solo.

Baz

Interesting you say that.

I was out driving this morning and a similar subject came up on 3AW. A fella rang in and said he'd taken his family on a holiday to Brisbane.

He and his family went to a ATM and where surrounded by a bunch of young fellas with a knife and pieces of wood.

Apparently he took the knife away, and proceeded to give the chaps a sound thrashing.

The end result of this was he spent two days in a Brisbane lock up, went to court and finished up with a three year bond and a criminal record.....all of this for protecting his family.


Regards

Kim

It may have been on the radio, but thats manure. theres no way on earth you would get nailed for that.

Must admit i thought it a bit funny! What ever happened to the right of protecting yourself, or has the LAW changed and you aren't allowed to.