When the lights go orange Foot down, or hit the whoa pedal??.

Submitted: Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 18:50
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So many times have i been in the situation where the lights have gone orange, and been a few metres from the line with a truck up my clacker, No way do i stop, and have been half way across the intersection with the light showing red, and yes that vehicle is still stuck on my rear end. Not all that legal but a safer option at times. I think??. ( NSW i'm on about)


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Reply By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:01

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:01
Axle,
I think the law is 'stop on orange if safe to do so' ie not slamming your brakes on if a truck is behind you. On the other hand, sometimes it has changed to orange before you get to the lights and you think they will change to red as you get to the lights but there is a truck sitting up your clacker showing no signs of slowing because they assume you will run it and they want to as well....

regards,

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:38

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:38
Its when you do decide to stop, and that screeching behind

un nerves you!, many a time i've planted the foot again.

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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:54

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:54
Yeah, what"s that saying? "If in doubt, go flat out" ;-)))
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:27

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:27
Here in Vic it's a good idea not to speed up and zip through, because then you could get pinged by both the red light camera and the speed camera.

Two for the price of one :)

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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:53

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:53
Hi Axle, not sure if you remember a while back they pinged me for going through an amber at Windsor here in Sydney. I did write a letter and they saw common sense and dropped the fine but now I really stop as soon as I see that light go amber. Mant times I have looked in the mirror to see the person behind shaking there haed as if you say "mate you had plenty of time" but in saying that if I see a truck behind me I aint stopping, especially if up my clacker. As mentioned above normally you go through the amber and there right behind you. Amber light is the same $$$ and points as going through a red. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:37

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:37
Do remember your case Steve, Just hope i'm not filling up a big bloody RTA coffer somewhere eh!

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Reply By: Garbutt - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:58

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 19:58
In SA the red light cameras only take your picture if you enter the intersection after it turns RED, ie cross the stop line after red. I don't know about other states. This gives you some leeway on the orange particularly if someone is up your bum.

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:31

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:31
Thats how i have always interpreted that law.
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Follow Up By: kend88 - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:35

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:35
Looked into it some time ago in Qld and from memory the camera activates some fraction of a second after the light has turned red. Can't remember the fraction but I think it worked out to be about 2 or 3 metres into the intersection if travelling at 60kph.
So if you are only crossing the line when it turns red you should be ok. Better to stop if you can though of course.

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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:22

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:22
Hi there GB, same here (NSW) if you cross the line after it goes red it will trigger. Not sure over your way but here it will always take two pics. 1ST determines that you have crossed the 1st line on the red the 2ND to determine wether you actually crossed the complete intersection or maybe you might have nailed the brakes skidded to a stop but maybe just over the line but not continuing through the intersection. Alot of people annoy me at intersections as instead of getting out in the middle if making a right hand turn (which is what your suppose to do unless obviously a red arrow) to make the turn they sit behind the line and then the lights change amber they then by law have to stay there and the traffic cued to turn has gone now where. Just my whinge for the day. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Old Dave - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 22:38

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 22:38
Hi Stephen M

I must be one of those annoying ones,

I was taught not to go into the intersection unless it was clear

to finish your manoeuvre whether turning right or going straight

on that is in WA

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Follow Up By: Garbutt - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:38

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:38
Same here Stephen M, the second photo proves you continued through the intersection.

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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:07

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:07
Hi Dave your right on one part of it and that is if you are going straight ahead and there is not enough roon for your vehicle to be fully past the line on the other side then you stay this side of the line until there is enough room. When turning right IF NO ONE is in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn right you may move up (obviously unless a red arrow) to the middle and wait with your steering wheel facing straight ahead (incase some one backends you you wont get speared into oncoming traffic) till it is safe to turn, then the vehicle behind then takes your spot and so on. If how ever there is some one already in the middle waiting to turn and the lights change to amber by law you are suppose to wait behind the line not take off from an amber light. I have done a driving instructors course. Now Im not saying I have never done any of the above cause I have and probably most days. Just stating the rule book thats all. Like when we go for our licence we all follow the rules 100% till he says we have passed then we all do things we shouldnt. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Old Dave - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 12:49

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 12:49
Hi again Stephen

What is the diff if the straight ahead is blocked and not going

through and the right being blocked.

I once saw L plate driver go into intersection to turn right

then when lights changed he stalled which blocked one lane

of traffic coming into the intersection

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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 19:40

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 19:40
Difference is if straight ahead is blocked and the lights go amber then red you are not going to be blocking the intersection for the traffic that is going to be coming from the left and right. If you are waiting to turn right and you are the only vehicle waiting (in the middle where you should be) and the light go's amber as soon as the traffic coming towards you has stopped you can continue your right hand turn on the amber even the red. You see some people actually hit reverse and reverse back over the line cause they think turning from the middle of the intersection they will get fined. If an amber light shows and you move across the line and try and tailgate the car in front of you around the corner you can be fined for it as you went over the line on an amber. Hope this makes sense. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:29

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:29
Most annoying is when I do stop for the orange, red when you get there, and the bloke a safe distance behind you pulls over a lane on a two lane road, and goes through!

Each to their own.

I stop when I can do it safely.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:44

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:44
At 70ks an hr!!! know what you mean.



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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:56

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 20:56
Axle
I've always said , if you take just the last 5m before the line and drew lines at 1mm thats 5000 points where you have choose one to make a decision,

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:01

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:01
Also I have given the subject a lot of thought over the years , the sensors on your lanes should not be activated by your red light but by the green lights on your left and right of the intersection, No traffic is going to begin moving from left and right until they get a green. ....might lose revemue if they did that.

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:07

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:07
Chit doug! ive got to sit and think about this for a while!!...lol


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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:17

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:17
HAHAHAHA!, just knew that was coming!!!!.


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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:32

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:32
What ever happened to driving to the conditions and leaving enough space between yourself and the car in front to safely stop??

Same goes for trucks only they need a larger gap between them and the vehicle in front.

If you were at or below the speed limit and only a few meters from the line and its unsafe to stop then keep driving at the constant speed through the intersection.

Red light cameras are just that red light cameras not amber cameras.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:27

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:27
Absolutley ditto John
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:33

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:33
In QLD the camera will activate if a car goes over the stop line on red, so if the light still is amber, then goes to red when you are in the middle of the intersection, you shouldn't get done.
If you stop SAFELY at amber and get arse ended by whatever is behind you, will get you some abuse, a lot of inconvenience (while vehicle is away getting repaired) but in the eye's of the law, you are good driver.
The other person clearly was showing intent to "run" the red, or at the least, tailgating, will end up with the insurance bill as well as an infringement notice, and for good measure, a coupla demerit points.
I have been done by a patrol car for turning right as the arrow went red at 4.45am and at the time was really p-off about it, but ultimately is was my choice to go, I also have been done for speeding in a 60km road works zone on a freeway when there was no-one working.
I don't give a stuff about whatever is behind me now, I just do whatever the law say's, even the stupid stuff, You wont loose points for pi- - ing off other people, only if you p--s off the cops!
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Jan 21, 2008 at 17:09

Monday, Jan 21, 2008 at 17:09
Yeah but if it's a "B" Double, Cement Mixer, or similar, it doesn't matter if you are in the right Shane. You would be DEAD as the bloody big truck has run over the top and squashed you.

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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Monday, Jan 21, 2008 at 17:47

Monday, Jan 21, 2008 at 17:47
That statement is a bit hysterical don't you think
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Reply By: Member - Gaz@Gove (NT) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:38

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 21:38
What's all this coloured light stuff ????????????????.
Mmmmmmmm, now where do we go next?

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 22:09

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 22:09
They are for people who cant read traffic signs and hopefully arent colour blind. However in my area most drivers are just blind
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:43

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:43
Down in these climes Gaz, we have these Yellow Gum Trees. Now once they sprung up like weeds and they still do, but back then they helped with the traffic flow.

These days they help with the cash flow.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gaz@Gove (NT) - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 23:14

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 23:14
Gee glad I live up here. No coloured lights to worry about. But we do have "One" roundabout.
Thought it was a speed bump for a while till we saw the ads about how to use them.
It's that small its easier to use it as a speedbump.
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Reply By: Kiwi & "Mahindra" - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 22:42

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 22:42
Depends...is the trucks loaded or not...around town its pretty obvious if they are full or not depending on which truck it is and which diresction they are heading....but thats Nowra...

If I can pull up with the truck behind me at a close but decent distance than I more than likely will but if not then go it!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:00

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:00
Laura!, Know what your saying!, You are obivously a sensible operator ..lol. , Just out of interest my neighbour works your way , excavator , Truck, at the retirement Village, if its him behind you plant the foot !......LOL.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:17

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:17
Asked my Cousin (walloper) what he did to vainly gain some validity to my amber light running and he said, zoom on thru! Change down a gear if u have to.

Being of Old Fart nature now I stop if I cant cruise thru holding my current velocity on amber, I try not to speed up. If there is a vehicle up my clacker then I am more likely to go thru red light or not. Did that in Melbourne at the Vic Market Cnr and Red Light Camera took my pic. A Volvo was screaming up behind me and I took the less costly way out. Never got a ticket.....

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:26

Friday, Jan 18, 2008 at 23:26
Bloody volvo drivers!!!, MMMM!! you were lucky,


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Follow Up By: Garbutt - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:40

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 08:40
If a vehicle is right up your clacker it could be close enough to obscure your number plate from the camera (hopefully)
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 00:16

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 00:16
The rules are the same in all states - the Australian Road Rules 1999 apply.
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:30

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:30
You are required to stop if confronted with a yellow light and NOT enter the intersection/junction. If 'pinged' the penalty is the same as for disobey (red) traffic light. So the message is - leave enough space between your vehicle and one in front and BE PREPARED to stop if lights begin to change. It's that simple.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:37

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:37
"It's that simple". Yeah, but the post is about the space BEHIND you which you have no control over.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:40

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:40
To end the endless debate about what the law says, here are the Australian Road Rules relating to Red and yellow lights - these apply in all states.

56 Stopping for a red traffic light or arrow
(1) A driver approaching or at traffic lights showing a red traffic
light must stop:
(a) if there is a stop line at or near the traffic lights — as near
as practicable to, but before reaching, the stop line; or
(b) if there is a stop here on red signal sign at or near the
traffic lights, but no stop line — as near as practicable to,
but before reaching, the sign; or
(c) if there is no stop line or stop here on red signal sign at or
near the traffic lights — as near as practicable to, but
before reaching, the nearest or only traffic lights.


57 Stopping for a yellow traffic light or arrow
(1) This rule applies to:
(a) a driver approaching or at traffic lights showing a yellow
traffic light; or
(b) a driver approaching or at traffic arrows showing a yellow
traffic arrow who is turning in the direction indicated by
the arrow.
(2) The driver must stop:
(a) if there is a stop line at or near the traffic lights or arrows
and the driver can stop safely before reaching the stop
line — as near as practicable to, but before reaching, the
stop line; or
(b) if there is no stop line at or near the traffic lights or arrows
and the driver can stop safely before reaching the traffic
lights or arrows — as near as practicable to, but before
reaching, the nearest or only traffic lights or arrows; or
Part 6 Traffic lights and twin red lights Division 1 Obeying traffic lights Rule 58 70 Australian Road Rules
(c) if the traffic lights or arrows are at an intersection
and the driver cannot stop safely in accordance with
paragraph (a) or (b), but can stop safely before entering the
intersection — before entering the intersection.
Offence provision.
(3) If the traffic lights or arrows are at an intersection and the
driver is not able to stop safely under subrule (2) and enters the
intersection, the driver must leave the intersection as soon as
the driver can do so safely.
Offence provision.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:52

Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:52
Ok, now can anyone tell me how long the amber light HAS to be on ?

If approaching an intersection at the legal speed light turns amber, allow 1 second for reaction time and move foot to brake pedal - what distance to come to a complete stop and can it be done BEFORE the red light comes on and/or you enter the intersection. I think it has to be almost three seconds of amber but does anyone know what they are actually set at ?
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