Hi can I have your views and opinions on fitting a hyclone?

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Hi,
Can anyone tell me about Hyclones, your views, are they worth doing etc

We have a V8i Series 2 Landrover Discovery Petrol with Gas.
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Reply By: SteveL - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:37

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:37
Search the archives ,there is plenty there.
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:38

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:38
Gday,
I hope you have thick skin because I reckon your about to be crucified.
Everone has different veiws on them. I have a mate who swears by them and another who says they are crap.

Do a search and make your own mind up.

Good Luck
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Andrea11 - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:46

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:46
Hi all,

We don't have one but this morning we were at TJM Gold Coast and I saw a pamphlet on the Hiclone, and I thought Mnn might be a good thing. I just wanted to run it by everyone here and try to get a general Consensus about the hiclone.

Thanks
Andrea
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:41

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:41
When you buy a Hyclone you get a free windscreen sticker with it that say SUCKER.


Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:45

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:45
Steve
Top marks that...he he he he I agree

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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:50

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:50
Hi can I have your views and opinions on fitting a hyclone?


No!!

Grrr!!!
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:45

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:45
While your at it ,, go for a fitch as well , your vehicle will then run for 1000klm for $2.00 worth of fuel ,,, LOL.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:49

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 13:49
Speaking of Futch's we have not seen Bill s for awhile.
I'm starting to miss the poor bloke :-)
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:44

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:44
John,

Hush your mouth!

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:52

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:00

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:00
Well cop this .

John T posted the contact details ( phone no. etc ) for the EO meeting at West Kunderang a couple of weeks ago . That night I rang the lady to ask her if I could get my van in there . She was a bit stressed out by EO people , as she had just had one of them ring her and try to sell her a fuel saving device YOU GUESSED IT ...... A FUTCH !

What a creepy thing to do . She certainly did not appreciate it .

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:08

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:08
Willie thats unreal, is there no stopping the bloke?
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 15:14

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 15:14
Hi Andrea ,

If you need an idea if they work or not , try and find a single positive report from an automotive watchdog like the NRMA or RAC .

Also , ask yourself , why wouldn't all the car manufacturers put them on their cars as standard . Low fuel consumption is a huge selling feature on a new car .

When things sound to good to be true , they usually are .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:27

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:27
Gday Willie,
A few car manufacturers do fit them from standard and have done for a lot of years.
Im not for or against...Ive never tried one.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:53

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:53
I heard of one US company that did it for a while and then stopped - probably because of ridicule . Which other companies are there Hairy?
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:59

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 18:59
Mercedes Benz use a system very very similar to them
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:20

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:20
All the ones I have seen fitted by the vehicle manufacturer are situated upstream of the air filter and are a device to spin the air so that any dust entering the air filter assembly is flung outwards before it gets the chance to contaminate the air filter.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:07

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:07
Yep, Pajeros have these Cyclonic Cleaners - then when the air hits the air filter, it despins the air.

Then the Turbo spins the air - then the Intercooler despins the air.

Where would you put a Hiclone (if you were silly enough) ?????
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 02:23

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 02:23
Gday,
Toyotas have been guilty of useing the same technology.
And again Im not for or against them but if they had a chance of working they would need to be put in the right place. eg before or after the air cleamer and a big enough intake AND exhaust to cope.. Im not getting into the debate....Its a peronal thing....If it works for you, buy one...otherwise dont.


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Reply By: Steve Ellis - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:27

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:27
Andrea. I am embarrassed to say that I fell for one on my Petrol /Lpg Patrol GU. My mate talked me into it and I have to say I cannot detect any difference in power or fuel consumption. They have a money back guarantee of one month and thats not long enough to do a proper assessment. I have not taken it out just in case it does work but I think it does much if anything. Your Call.
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Reply By: Member - Howard P (WA) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:40

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 16:40
Hi Andrea,
I tried one a couple of years ago in a 1997 V6 3.4L petrol Prado. It was in use for about 2,000k's and there was no difference in performance or fuel consumption at all. At the time I purchased it there was 1 month money back guaranty, so I took it back and got my money back.
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Reply By: Grouchoff - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 17:20

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 17:20
May I reply with the same answer I gave on a another forum when responding to the question, do Roo scaring devices work.
This is based on my experience, so take it or leave it but....
"You might as well stick an onion in your glovebox"
Steady driving and good maintenance will deliver better economy.Put the Hyclone money towards that cause perhaps.
Good luck though.
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Reply By: Time - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 17:56

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 17:56
Go and read this sitehttp://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm
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Reply By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:20

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 19:20
Andrea,
I have two (2) in the air inlet to my 2.4Lt Diesel.

One is in the rubber Air inlet adjacent to the alloy manifold and the other is about half way to the air filter from the manifold.

I had the choice and the opportunity to remove them and get my money back

I choose to keep them installed...

Would I use them again . . . yes

Everyone has, and yes, is also entitled to an opinion, but have they actually paid out the money and had them installed, then removed them and got a refund or are they just giving their opinion based on someone's else's opinion.

I will remove them and the Dual Battery & Solar system when I dump this vehicle.

I have a different sticker on my rear window, it only says 'Hyclone'

Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:07

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:07
Waiting for someone with a texta

"Hyclown"
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Follow Up By: Grouchoff - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:17

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:17
Mainey,
if the prerequisite to having an opinion or the value of an opinion is based purely on purchase then we are in BIG strife. Especially in Forum world. Secondly I value the opinions of friends and acquaintances to whom I have a level of trust and respect for. The generosity of them wishing to save others the grief of wasting time and or money should be applauded.
Maybe it would be an easier challenge for the non-believing mega-masses to challenge Hyclones efficacy by asking users like yourself to lobby car organisations to freely recommend these units.I guess my bottom line is I haven't ever had a lumber puncture, my unfortunate friend has....would I pay to have one just to find out he was right about the level of pain...nah. I review my earlier post and based on everything read since, my gut feeling and industry opinion, that opinion has now changed.
You might as well stick a lemon in your glove box.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:00

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 17:00
Grouchoff,
the idea of an 'opinion' is obviously different to each person, there is always two sides to a 'story' and often both are correct..

I said I have two Hyclones and I'm happy with them, if that's my opinion, then it's based on the fact that I do have two of them and yes I'm happy, or obviously I would have removed them and got a refund, I choose to leave them there, and that's a fact, lol.

My opinion is not to be based on purchase, but on the fact that I do have them installed and plan to keep them.

I'm sorry you don't value my opinion, obviously if it had suited you then you would value it, as I've NOT posted they either work or don't work, I don't see the hassle.

As to asking car makers to use this type of technology, it's presently being used by Mercedes and various others also, but that's not what you want to read is it ?

Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:39

Monday, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:39
.........and as noted many times before they are being used by Mercedes far closer to the inlet of the cylinder than ever possible with a Hiclone, and are a part of an R&D engineered solution. Anything that is put in line PRIOR to the plenum chamber is going to have sweet FA effect on the air entering the cylinder.

Other application often brought up it that Toyota use them in their intake. Once again this HAS NOTHING to do with fuel atomization and everything to do with air filtration (like those cyclonic vacuum cleaners) in fact being sited before the air filter.

Mainey, could you suggest ONE car manufacturer that actually has Hiclones (or their equivalent) IN THE LOCATIONS that Hiclone specify? I think not, as the positions they are in have only one purpose, to empty the pocket of gullible purchasers.....
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Reply By: Andrea11 - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:08

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:08
Well thanks to everyone that responded, although I must admit I felt that perhaps I had asked a somewhat stupid question. Unfortunatly I don't have any knowledge in these matters, but it would be safe to say that I will not be putting a Hiclone or any other fuel saving device in our vehicle. So thanks for the advice and opinions it was really good to get a "General Consensus"

Andrea
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:24

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:24
Remember in the old days EVERY ONE thought the world was flat
then it was PROVEN to be round...

Can I suggest you 'try' the device, if it's not as advertised you get your money back and you will loose nothing, but you can say you used it and it did not work for you.

Why not just ask how many people with 'opinions' have had them fitted and then returned them for their money back, I think the answer may be zero ?

Mainey . .
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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:54

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:54
Mainey has a point, and the man is not a fool.

Having never tried them myself I can't comment as to their effectiveness.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 22:21

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 22:21
Mainey old son, methinks that when it comes to solar and batteries you know your stuff ,but on the benifit of fitting an aftrmarket device that is promoted as creating a "swirl" in the air intake you are not following any logical or proven physics ,, just like the fitch the hyclone guarentee is worded to the effect that the device must be returned in such a short perid of time that NO conclusive benifit could be demonstrated ,tis a reason for such and that being that "snake oil " salesmen still can find their suckers.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:40

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 16:40
Axel,
I think some people should read my posts again, as I don't believe I have stipulated they will actually work for everyone or are beneficial in some way to all and sundry - do I ??

Yes, I do say I have 2 of them installed and I'm very happy with them, after all that is why they are still there and I did not return them for a full refund.

Yes, that's only my opinion, you have your opinion and others also have their different opinions too, it does not mean I'm right or I'm wrong - or does it ??

After all it's only an opinion, nothing more and nothing less ?
Has anyone asked Mercedes why they use a similar system ?

Mainey . . .
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:50

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:50
I was suckered into these things before I joined EO.

I installed them before I went on holidays, my holiday was 8 weeks so I wasn't able to return them.

They DID NOT WORK.

They are supposed to eliminate smoke Bullsh1t My back window was as black as the ace of spades, my fuel economy was not one bit different.

They are not in the cars now they are on the shelf in my shed as a reminder not to be so F@#KING stupid again.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:54

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:54
Steve what size is each of them ?
Or
How many & what 'cars' did you remove them from ?

Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:57

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:57
Steve just a little hint

they don't like you using subs. for swear words

everyone can read what uou are saying... :-)

Cheers

Richard
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:58

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 20:58
A 2002 GXL 100 series.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:02

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:02
How many do you have ?
and how much do you want for the lot ?
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:31

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:31
I have 2 make me an offer.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:33

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:33
Yes, I'm prepared to buy both of them

What do you want for them both?
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:46

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:46
Hyclone have 2 for $320.

You can have mine for $200 as they have only done 10000 km.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:49

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:49
I don't have a sticker "stupid" on my rear window...

If you want to get rid of them be realistic, maybe a Look on ebay ?
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 22:07

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 22:07
To use your words.

sure it’s nice to be important - however, it’s more important to be nice~

I don't care if you buy them or not you offered, I gave you a price, I have never looked at ebay and probably never will.

I paid near $300 for these useless things so I am not about to give them away.

They are more value on my shelf reminding me not to do something stupid again.

Cheers Steve
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:22

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:22
Steve,
then obviously at $200 they will remain on your shelf, lol
As you say "I don't care if you buy them or not" so your still happy :-))

Mainey . . .
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Reply By: Philip A - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:37

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:37
OK, I will own up to being another fool that bought one with no effect. I had it too long before returning it. I finally chucked it out when I moved house.
I fitted it to a 3.9 V8 petrol Range Rover after a friend swore to me that it had given him better economy.
I placed it in the recommended position between the MAF and throttle , and then shifted it around. ZILCH!

When I thought about it, it is impossible to work on a petrol as the throttle blade is almost closed most of the time.

Now they MAY work on a diesel as there is no throttle.
The carmakers such as mercedes who have tumble inducers in their manifolds always have them just before the port, ie after the throttle blade.
If Hiclone did 8 little ones that fitted in the inlet manifold trumpets of a 3.9 or 4.0 Thor V8 just before the ports, then it may have some effect. BUT they do not AFAIK.

Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:54

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 21:54
These hyclone stories remind me of the guy who asked me where he could buy a power band for his racing bike some years ago. Maybe I missed my opportunity to get rich.....:-))
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Reply By: Member - Davidp P (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:03

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:03
Hyclone.......is that the device that supposedly spins the intake air. If it isI had one on a Magna V6 , made not one scrap of difference. I reckon they would the only way it could possibly work is if your engine had no inlet manifold but racing type inlet "trumpets" with one in each
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Reply By: franku - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:38

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:38
I was dumb enough to install one on my Petrol 80 series 3 years ago - I was told that they definitely work - I thought oh - well worst can happen is a blow a couple of hundred bucks.

Well, I installed it and there was ZERO inprovement in fuel economy. They told me that was because Hiclones work best in hot weather - so I left it in and waited for summer to do a test - noticed no change and forgot about it.

What did happen was that when the engine was cold, I had a hesitation - like a miss until the engine warmed up.

3 years later, I decided to rip out that Hiclone - no point having it there - guiess what that hesitation that no mechanic was able to find the cause for - went away!!!!

So my reccomendation is - in an 80 series 1FZ-FE petrol - definitely does not work - causes problems no saving in fuel.

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Reply By: MartyB - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:53

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:53
Andrea,
I was given 2 hiclones. One I fitted to my Petrol Discovery. It made no difference at all. The other I gave to a friend with a Diesel Troop carrier. He noticed a large differnce in better fuel economy around town.
Seems to me from other reports they don't work in petrol engines, but do work in some diesel engines.
Not worth the money they ask for them, I am glad I didn't pay for mine.

Marty.
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:58

Saturday, Feb 02, 2008 at 23:58
Hyclone advertising is worse than Globalstars.

At least with Globalstar you could use it some times.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: fisho64 - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 02:27

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 02:27
Mainy-"but have they actually paid out the money and had them installed, then removed them and got a refund or are they just giving their opinion based on someone's else's opinion."

what a load of crap, I reckon your either associated with them or a bit embarrassed. I logged a full 1600km roundtrip to Albany, then I tried them in my 2.8 Hilux for the same trip, no difference at all. Luckily I was able to return it.

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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:36

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:36
fisho, you posted, "but have they actually paid out the money and had them installed, then removed them and got a refund or are they just giving their opinion based on someone's else's opinion. what a load of crap"
fisho, no that's not 'crap' it's only a question !!

You say ""Luckily I was able to return it""
So now your happy, why on earth would I be 'embarrassed' just because I'm prepared to say I still have mine fitted and did not seek a refund, if I was embarrassed in any way I would have not posted at all :-)

Mainey . . .
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Reply By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:11

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 08:11
Surely someone out there with access to a Dyno could answer this very quickly. No change in output = no improvement in economy or performance.....

I seem to remember the Hyclone website having Dyno results, but they could be fudged/do the with reading early in the morning when the air is cold and more dense (shold be careful with that last word), and with out the hyclone in the heat of the day......everyone is capeable of selective statistics.

When I fitted the lpg it was easy, run it with the switch on, then with it off, there is your two graphs in as close to identical conditions as you will probably get.

Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy (springsure- Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:59

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:59
Mate, Facing ridicule here but I have had one for 11 years and I swap it into every vehicle I have.
Although it works better in naturally aspirated diesels that petrols such as hilux up to 2.8lt and early 1HZ.
From the time we put one in a bj73 with the 3B motor it became smoother and the mirrors stopped vibrating at idle.

There isn't a noticeable decrease in fuel consumption but I don't usually worry too much about that (wouldn't own a big vehicle if I did) but there is a noticeable improvement in smoothness and smoke when cold.

This isn't heresay only what I have observed.

Keep it ...sure.

Regards
Dave
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Reply By: RovingOz (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 10:27

Sunday, Feb 03, 2008 at 10:27
HYCLONE FOR MEN.

Us blokes will try anything if it means more power but this is the same as marketing anti-ageing or cellulite cream to women. They don't care that it doesn't work for everybody else it may just work for them.

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