tmax winch dissapointed -darwin
Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:08
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samsgoneagain
i bought a 't- max 10000lb 'winch from opposite lock in
darwin the other week. old mate said " its been marked down from $1600 to $1000" ( for some reason i cant remember) so i thought it must be ok cause thats what a warn 9000lb cost.
no worries , i mounted it up and went bush for a
test 'winch'.
so i got bogged, no worries i will just get my new, top quality winch and pull my ute out of the bog.
hooked up, started winching, goes ok (tightens the rope good), now the weights on it should do it easy cause its a 10000lb t-max......... sorry folks...... my busted bottom old warn 9000lb winch pulled better than this on a siezed motor/hit with hammer/spray with crc day. ok still bogged, i will winch out to the right a bit and it should pull me up onto this underwater rut so i can drive out................pulling pulling.......ping , the fairlead roller broke and bent its shaft. ok thats bareable......winch out straight ahead, long way .
Good, now that i am out OF THE BOG i will wind all the cable in, winding winding winding , snap.... broke one of the chrome axles that hold the whole winch together.
now angry and going to throw this through old mates window
shop.
Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:28
Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:28
Got to be dissapointed with that :-( Almost needs to be a standard winch
test manufacturers have to do before a rating can be put on it. Oils an't Oils when pulling power is compared with
winches that's for sure. It's probably lucky it just fell to bits and didn't have a piece fly off under tension & hit someone!
The pleasure one gains from a 'Bargin' soons wears off when the product fails.
Cheers Craig.............
Very expensive 9500lb Ramsey winch going strong.
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:32
Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:32
thats right, and the axle actually broke out through the aluminium housing.
and what faeces me more is that i see chinese
winches on ebay, exactly the same, (at 300$ ) but only with different stickers on them..........
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:59
Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 22:59
Yes
well the Chinese
winches are pretty hit & miss. Many look the same but quality seems to vary greatly. A winch comparison over in SA had the teeth shear off shortly after the cable on a brand new one was taken up for the 1st time...... to use his words "a $600 paper weight."
Really should report failures like this to consumer affairs or the like as
winches letting go during a recovery can be very dangerous. Imagine one failing while a car was being pulled up a steep
hill!!
Using
winches regulary for work I wouldn't risk a lesser quality one.
Cheers Craig..........
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 23:20
Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 23:20
Err, come down to penny wise pound ------! I guess i pay to much for most things but i just can't stand crap!
Things like this i'd never risk buying but it seems it doesn't stop there! Don't know if anyone read my post about the exploding Chinese torch that could of killed me! You buy a cheap torch and you expect that "ok" it might die
young. NOT BOOM!
Don't worry about the "yellow peril" they will never build a boat that will make it that far!! Sorry a poor joke.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 23:13
Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 23:13
You blokes must love wasting money trying to save a dollar here , save a dollar there, Ebay.....Chinese..
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Follow Up By: Member - shane (SA) - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:54
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:54
Buy Chinese, Buy twice.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Feb 16, 2008 at 08:25
Saturday, Feb 16, 2008 at 08:25
What about Taiwan? Is it OK to buy stuff made there?
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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 23:45
Wednesday, Feb 06, 2008 at 23:45
Sorry to hear of your faulty winch, samsgoneagain. Just another reason while we followed the advice of members here and chose a second hand re-conditioned Warn over a similar valued new one.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: SimonInAustralia - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 07:12
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 07:12
What does it cost to recondition a Warn winch, and where do you take it to?
Thanks.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:57
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:57
Hi SimonInAustralia
If you say where you live, others may be able to advise where in you state this service is available. We purchased from a company who did their own reconditioning on the suitable second hand ones when removed from the line of vehicles when upgrading the fittings. They were therefore sold in good running order.
I'm sure some members here have done their own reconditioning.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: SimonInAustralia - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 22:07
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 22:07
Thanks Motherhen, I am in
Canberra, but could take it to a
shop anywhere from
Sydney to Albury.
What is invloved in a Winch reconditioning, and what sort of costs are you looking at?
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 22:26
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 22:26
Again simon, i hope others with better knowledge will reply.
Mh
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 02:33
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 02:33
My Tojo had the Warn 12k on it when I got it.......priced one not so long ago....$2600. EEEEEK I think I'll hand onto it despite its weight.
Cheers,
Mark
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:20
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:20
Can't beat trusted brand names for quality.
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Reply By: Rod W - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:59
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:59
On me 1971 FJ45 LWB it came with a genuine PTO driven winch. Brilliant bit of equipment... I snapped a couple of cables.
One would think Toyota would start bringing em back.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy (springsure- Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 17:34
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 17:34
I also had a 1970 fj45 with the pto winch. Nothing beats it.
I'm pretty sure that they are an option in japan and africa and middle east, just not here.
I bet they'll sell you one ...at a cost.
I have seen the odd ad for a genuine 75 series pto winch in just 4x4's mag at a wreckers.
Regards
Dave
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Reply By: troopyman - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 14:32
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 14:32
I think i am in love with my warn himount .
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Reply By: trolute - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:36
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:36
I agree that what you have experienced is terrible, but I have an IRONMAN, and although it is built in china, it does have a 3 year warranty, so if it dies, it get fixed. that said, I too took it bush, and got it to pull my heavy old nissan almost vertically up a bank, several times, before I was happy. Its great. Surely opposite lock will replace it, and refit the new one.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:53
Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 at 20:53
Sorry to read of your dilemma mate.....
Just a note about the chrome spacers bars.....I've broken the casting on my Warn XD 9000 too, because of the cable winding-up unevenly as I did a recovery without watching what I was doing.
This is a real problem when winching......unless you're doing a direct, front-on pull, the rope is going to spool-up on the side that you are pulling towards. The only answer seems to be to stop winching, chock the load, unwind the winch cable so that it is not all bunched up at one end, then re-spool it up with no load, so that the cable spools-up on the opposite end until you reach the point where the load has to start again.....then recommence winching under load again. Depending on how far you have to winch the load, you may have to repeat this procedure several times.
Having said that, my winch still operate perfectly
well without the chrome bar.....as far as I can see these bars are really only important when the winch is off the vehicle (to stop the 2 ends from separating from each other).
Roachie
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Reply By: OLDarwin - Friday, Feb 08, 2008 at 18:35
Friday, Feb 08, 2008 at 18:35
In reply to samsgoneagain, its a pity he didn't just come back to the store and see us instead of venting his anger on a chat
forum, this is the first we have heard of his problem.
We have been selling these
winches out of opposite lock stores Australia wide for a considerable time and out of our
Darwin Shop since 2004 and this is the first problem I have heard about with these
winches.
I didn't fit the winch, I don't and didn't have access to the car or the Bullbar and there is obviously a few questions that need answering.
I would welcome "samsgoneagain" into the store so that we can look at his problem and come up with a solution and explanation.
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Follow Up By: dan001 - Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 15:30
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 15:30
Oldarwin, was interested in your comments, I have seen this on the 10,000 both sold as a max or with other brand logos eg Ox…in fact I took a look at another with the same thing this week. I would agree somewhat to the point it could be as a result of the cable not being correctly wound on, but this beggs the question, is this winch designed for operation by two people and sold as such? (we both know the answer). I respect all those opinions but if your out by yourself and in trouble, does this mean you cant use your winch because it will get damaged…ie a farmer bogged on a property and so on…what’s the point in having a winch.
Made in China…
well you would be supprised just how much 4wd gear is actually made there!
To be fair I have also seen it on “the good brands”
Cheers
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Follow Up By: OLDarwin - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:35
Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:35
Just to go one step further, samsonline has been in to see us and we will resolve his issue one way or another. We can all speculate as to what has caused his problem but I will let the experts do that, the winch will be sent back to the importer, AUNGER, and they can make the decision.
OX Brand is, I am told, TMAX old technology, and you are right, people would be surprised what is made in China and Thailand etc.. ARB Bullbars (maybe not all models) come from Thailand as do copies of them that look the same and are just as structurally sound but a lot cheaper, same steel etc..
Electronics, batteries, and lots more.
OLDarwin
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Reply By: flappa - Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 15:39
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 15:39
Had a mate with a warn winch.
Failed on him . . .
Warns are rubbish
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Reply By: Jim from Best Off Road - Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 19:18
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 19:18
I frankly think this is an unreasonable post.
Blasting a product on a public
forum without giving the retailer/supplier the opportunity to remedy the situation is simply not fair.
After all, even the best engineered, and most expensive products in the world do at times suffer failures.
Jim.
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 19:58
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 19:58
oh have a teaspoon if cement and harden up
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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 20:34
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 at 20:34
Well, that kind of response sums up the sort of person you are.
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Saturday, Feb 16, 2008 at 01:54
Saturday, Feb 16, 2008 at 01:54
i own a cement business ?
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Follow Up By: OLDarwin - Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:41
Monday, Feb 18, 2008 at 13:41
Thanks for the support Jim, Samsgone again has been too see me and we will work through the problem, I think this issue should now be left to me and samsgoneagain.
To all those that responded, sometimes research helps to make sure you don't look the goose, don't always respond without all the knowledge.
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