How long needed for Sydney - Simpson - Sydney

Submitted: Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:26
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We've got a few weeks available in July - August and are thinking about doing the following trip. Stepping it out on a map in the study, it looks to be about 18 days worth. What's the class's opinion?

Sydney > Birdsville - 5 Days
Birdsville > Maree - 2 Days
Maree > Dalhousie - 3 Days
French Line - 3 Days
Birdsille > Sydney - 5 days

With 3 weeks available, that would give us 3 days for cars issues (I drive a Disco, it never breaks down, it just "has issues"), or a cople of lazy daze if we feel like staying-put for a spell. We'd like to take forever, but ..that's life.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:54

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 20:54
You've got a day or two up your sleeve each way Sydney/Birdsville. I'll leave the other sections for others to comment on. Depends on the road/weather conditions prevailing at the time.

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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:07

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:07
As you are heading to Birdsville why not do the Simpson east to west ? Look at your time table at Dalhousie and decide if you want to include Mt Dare and Chambers Pillar. Also don't forget the Painted Desert.
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Follow Up By: wdric - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:32

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:32
I would also suggest an east/west and you would have plenty of time to do the above, and would be a worth while addition as it is just up the road.
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:24

Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:24
I once drove birdsville to sydney straight through....... It takes 29 hours of actual driving. Birds to maree I have not done. Maree to dalhousie in 3 days is nice. Can be done in a very long day. French line in 3 days is comfortale 7 hrs drive each day
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Follow Up By: Smudger - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 00:58

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 00:58
OK ..6 Hours a day Syd-B/ville is what I calculated.
We've done the Oodnadatta Track so do know the drive through there.
I haven't done the Simmo', but from what I've read on this site 3 days seems to be the accepted time.
So I'm surprised at your estimate of 7 hours a day across the Simmo' ..seems like long days in the saddle, 'specially if your out to enjoy the trip. maybe that's where we spend an extra day.

Thanks for your input extfilm.
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:49

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:49

Looks fine to me. Both times I did the Simpson straight across it was 2 nights and 3 days for the crossing without pushing it. Depends how long you want to stop to smell the daisy's.
Have fun.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:15

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:15
Just to confuse the issue- I would suggest a West to East.
The shape of the dunes are 'gentler' from the West.
And also- if driving from the East- you'll have the low afternoon sun right in your face !!
Also, it's great to have a good shower & cold beer (or 3) when you get to Birdsville!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 13:46

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 13:46
Hi Signman, The slope may be a little gentler west to east but the west sides were really cut up bad (scalloped) when I was there last Sep.
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Follow Up By: Member - Vincent A M (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 20:40

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 20:40
I agree with signman after several crossings I have always found it easier on the vehicle west to east & when I crossed in 1977 I could not climb the dunes east to west even if I wanted too, but its a great trip if you take your time to see what is there
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:52

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:52
Which way to Birdsville are you going to go? We followed the NSW / QLD border and that was great but we were up that way anyway. Maybe even to broken hil and then up.

i recon that you could do it...maybe even cut back a day or 2 days to and from Birdsville and have those days in the simpson.....

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Follow Up By: Smudger - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 10:37

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 10:37
Looks to me Bucky that there aren't too many options. How's this look to you?

Outward bound thinking - Bourke > Tibooburra > Merty Merty > Strzlecki Track to Birdsville. - (I Allowed 5 days not knowing the Strzlecki)
Heading home - Leave the Strzlecki at Innamincka and home through Thargomindah > Hungerford > Bourke. Or if we need to make up time - via Cunnamulla and back to Syd on the black top. (Bugga! It's over already and we haven't even started!)

We try to allow time to smell the spinifix. Our first trip across the Top was too rushed, travelling big k's every day, setting up camp too late to enjoy the location and meet the neighbours. Now we plan for a lazy start to the day and to set up camp well before sunset, spending at least 2 nites a week at the same spot.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:14

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:14
Why Birdsville twice?? If you go from Sydney to Maree direct you can do the west/east crossing of the Simpson as was suggested as being the best direction and have more relaxing times on the trip.

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Follow Up By: Smudger - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:30

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:30
Dalhousie to Birdsville is the West>East crossing ..look at my posts, I always planned it that way.
As to Maree direct from Sydney, there is no direct route. I presume you mean via Broken Hill and up through the Flinders Ranges. We actually did the Centre on that route last July (bloody cold). Did a fast run outward bound on that route, back via Oodnadatta Track and for some variation came home through Murray Sunset NP and Mungo NP. This trip we want to explore the corner, do Strzlecki and also the Simmo'. Besides, there's less blocktop Birdsville via Bourke.
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 13:18

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 13:18
How long? 8 days driving time....

2 days to Birdsville via Camerons Corner, Bore Track, Innamincka and Walkers Crossing

3 days across the Simmo. Can do it in 2 if you are in a hurry

3 days back to Sydney from Dalhousie.

Or vice versa.

Rest of the time

BTW Strzelecki Track is a big wide graded road(unless you take the Old Strz. which is also an easy run).

BVT to Marree can be done in a day....easy. Nice camp at Claytons Bore 52km out from Marree on BVT.

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Reply By: Member - Vincent A M (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 20:31

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 20:31
we did it between 23-12-2005 to 6/10/05 7132klms & it was rushed, but I could not get any more time off .but we still had a great time.(i had also done it several times before)

Jervis bay NSW to hawker SA (Hawker was flooded when we arrived) first 2 days were long (kids watched DVDs) then we just took our time up the Oodnadatta track, spent a whole day & night at the peak telegraph station (donkeys ran thru the camp at night kid loved it) left Oodnadatta for a quick drive to the rock walked about the rock & Olga's then on to the geographic centre of Aust, on to Dalhousie across the Simpson via French line to Birdsville, then via walkers crossing (in the rain & mud) to Innamincka, the dig tree to Cameron's corner, Tibooburra, broken hill, Broken hill to Home (1 day) by putting in some big days in the beginning & at the end we had plenty of time to see most things & found we were travelling at the same pace as most other travellers.

but I would not recommend to anybody who's not use to doing long hauls to go out & try. I'm quite use to long hauls & I shared the driving & I could also sleep quite well in the patrol

You've got 18 days not a problem other than the disco (every vehicle we came across on that trip with problems was a disco good luck
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 21:57

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008 at 21:57
G'day Vincent,
Did you take the 6x4 across the Simpson?
Are you going to the Innaminka gathering?
I'm still considering a 6x4 conversion.....just keep getting talked away from the idea by all the doomsdayers who say things like........ excessive tyre wear; lack of traction in deep dip situations (when centre wheels may leave the ground etc).
I would very much like to see your rig 1st hand.....or at least some pics on your member's page....any chance?

Cheers mate

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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Feb 13, 2008 at 09:18

Wednesday, Feb 13, 2008 at 09:18
Hey Vince
How did the sailing go on the weekend??
Did ya bring home the silver-ware??

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Follow Up By: Inflataduck - Wednesday, Feb 13, 2008 at 15:05

Wednesday, Feb 13, 2008 at 15:05
Roachie, Yes it was in the 6x4 (2004) This or the old (1994) 6x4 is our main traveling vehicle, & yet to find a spot when a loaded 4x4 can get thru & i can not on the simpson we did it with ease & look at the dates it was HOT crossing when we got to big red we were the only one to go over the others went the easy (short) way.
I don't think i will be at innaminka (what i will do is video it over some uneven ground,dipps etc & send it to you) If you drive it you will probaly wont give it back other than your use to being a power cased nissan owner (6.5chev)

we kept our standard & came in Last no body wanted to go out in the rain un less it was to get more beer but a good race & good night.

regards Vince
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