No Savannah Cats Petition

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 00:12
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Hi all,
I got an email tonight re these ' cats' and personally I think this idea is total stupidity.
What a really dumb idea. We already have millions of feral cats in the bush that no one can get rid of ! We spend a fortune ( and it requires more) attempting to get rid of the unwanted rubbish that we have already imported. Just take a look at the SIZE of these things !!!!
One would think that by 2008 we may perhaps have learned our lesson about letting unneeded junk of any description into Australia.
So far 2014 people have 'signed' this petition. It only takes a moment , hope you can or will add to the number. The number of people that read this forum and care about the bush must be able to make a difference !
Here is the mail I got.
cheers, Anne

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Hi all

Here's a good place to start if you want to tell the Federal Minister for Environment, Peter Garrett, that you don't want Savannah Cats in Australia:

http://www.gopetition.com.au/online/19950.html

If you don't know what this is all about, check out this site:

http://savannahcats.com.au

Note that the importer intends to sell non-neutered cats to licensed breeders. That will be it, from there we will quickly have breeding animals in the wild, what to speak of dumped neutered cats once the novelty wears off or they are found to be unsuitable by their owners.

If we allow these 14kg super predators into the country, we may as well work on breeding a larger, more aggressive Cane Toad too.

I hope that you'll take a minute or two to sign the petition. Another way is to write personally.

Let's get this moving. We must not allow these ridiculous cats into Australia.


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Reply By: Waynepd (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 00:38

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 00:38
Good work Anne,
I have signed it and commented.
Let's see how environmentally friendly our ex rock star environmentalist really is. As was hinted at in someone else's comments on the petition the Peter Garrett of old would be first in line to protest the import of these potential killers.
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Follow Up By: Drysdale River Station - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 01:53

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 01:53
I can't understand them even considering the idea. Won't we ever learn anything from past mistakes. There are thousands of feral cats in the North Kimberley alone including in the ' pristine Prince Regent A class nature reserve. No attempt is made to get rid of them and anyway it would honestly be impossible to do so, unless a way was found to stop them from being fertile so they do then in the end die out. I hate feral bush cats, these things are mini tigers in comparison !
cheers, Anne
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:31

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:31
Here is the direct link to the petition

For those who do want to copy and paste the link given.

We need Bob Brown to come out of the wood work as well I think. It would be the first thing that I would support him one LOL

Cheers Sir Kev
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:38

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:38
I have a National Park literally in my backyard, Heathcote National Park comes up to my back fence. Every now and then a feral cat will show up and they seem much larger than the normal cat. Tough life tough critter i guess. If these things get loose the will probably go along the same route an dincrease in size and ferocity.

We have Koala in the Royal NP and Platypus have been spotted in Heatcote NP. The Koala were only discovered after the horrendous 2001 fires so what else is in there that we don't know about?
If we let these designer, rich bitch cats in, it won't matter what's in there now because they won't be there for long.

We already have Rhus Deer which were culled a bit a few years back. Just in the last year I have seen them walking down our street at night and grazing on the easement behind my place, cute but feral. Full of ticks and love veggie gardens GRRRRR.

Fox are seen dead on the road or running through the scrub.

Heard about wild dogs occasionally in this area too....
enough is enough.
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:22

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:22
Peter Garrett

I sent a post to Peter Garrett as well just to see if he's listening
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:24

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:24
GOD!!!!!
I'll get the hang of this link thing if its the last thing i do
Peter Garrett
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 02:10

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 02:10
Thanks for the site Anne, I have signed it and the number is now 2025. I honestly don't understand why we have to import these cats, the size of them, with people moving into Apartment living and the backyards of today being so small they (the people) are soon going to get sick of them, they will become a nuisance and where are they going to end up??????????????????? history tells us where.

I like animals, including cats but these are not just your everyday run of the mill cat!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep them out of Australia I say.

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D


Simba, our much missed baby.

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Reply By: blue one - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:19

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:19
Thanks Anne

2027

Cheers
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 05:02

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 05:02
Anne,

Done.
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Reply By: Member - John - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 05:23

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 05:23
Done, thanks fot the heads up.
John and Jan

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Reply By: Member - len W SWANSEA (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 05:49

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 05:49
2033 now hope more get on board
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 06:36

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 06:36
2036 now. Maybe he'll do something useful this year.

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Reply By: RosscoH - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:36

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:36
2041
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:09

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:09
2046 Now
Cheers Dave....
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Reply By: Member - John & Julie ACT - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:17

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:17
2051 now
Cheers
Julie
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:54

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:54
2065

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:57

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:57
Thanks Anne

I've signed - also checked out various sites on this.

This info is from the savanahcatclub.com site and its links:

F1 Savannahs have no less than 50% Serval genetics, and typically no more than 60%.
There are, however, a very small number of breeders choosing to breed backward to the Serval, rather than
forward with a Savannah.

The Serval
Their colors vary from pale yellow to buff red. Solid, jet black spots, that range in diameter from freckle-sized to quarter-sized, cover their glorious coats. They may reach 24 inches at the shoulder and can weigh between 30 and 40 pounds. The Serval's tail is three-quarter length, and it reaches down to its hock.
Having the largest ears and the longest legs in the cat family makes them a specialized hunter. They can jump twelve feet in the air when pursuing birds, which are a main part of their diet, along with rodents and frogs.
Servals are widely distributed throughout most parts of Africa. They prefer the grasslands where there is plenty of water for playing and hunting. They are known to live in the rural areas and coexist with humans.

Suggest sign up and send to others in your networks.

Cheers
Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris R (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:05

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:05
WHOOPS

I should have added that I could not easily find a word description of the savannah ie wieght etc. I expect it is smaller, but at the stated minimum 50% Serval genetics, we should expect it would carry all the traits above into the bush.

Note too that the USA experience is that owners DO get sick of their big moggies and have trouble disowning them.

Chris
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Reply By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:09

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:09
Good onya Anne.
Thanks for the quick link Kev.

2069

Fred
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:09

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:09
Fred,

If it gets more people to sign it then it is worth doing.

Cheers Kev
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Reply By: Scorcher - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:19

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 09:19
2073 now.

I wonder what the next preditor to come in would be, to control these when they take over our bushland??
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:58

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:58
Ummmm .. a cross between a Chihuahua and a Hyena I guess :)))

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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:46

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:46
2101
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Reply By: Member - Puffin (NT) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:14

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:14
2108

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Reply By: tukka - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:33

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:33
Done. Thanks for the link, every Australian should be signing that.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graeme (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 13:38

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 13:38
2139
Thanks for the heads up on these things.
Next there will be pet leopards and cheetahs.
Graeme
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 13:46

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 13:46
2142.
Vince
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 14:07

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 14:07
2146
Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob S (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 15:44

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 15:44
Now 2158.
Thanks for the info - well done.
Cheers,
Bob
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Reply By: Member - T N (Qld) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 16:14

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 16:14
2165 now
Tom
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 16:42

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 16:42
2169
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Reply By: nomadoz - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 17:02

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 17:02
2166
give the nasty critters aspro, that will cure their headache

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Reply By: Member - Dennis P (Scotland) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:04

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:04
2183
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Reply By: Nomad Liney - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:35

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:35
2191
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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:47

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:47
2193
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Reply By: jamesw - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:51

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 18:51
Just signed, but wonder why a petition against Bengal cats is not going. Another breed from a wild cat cross domestic. Time to break out the shotguns.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:07

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:07
2200

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Reply By: Member - Scrubcat (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:10

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:10
2201
Thanks.

Scrubcat
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Reply By: Member - Peter H (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:25

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:25
You won me, Anne. I'm an old and grumpy bushy who had to come to Sydney for work, all those years ago but my heart is still with the bush. I'll do anything to look afer the bush.

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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn G (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:56

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 19:56
I signed it ! I shot a feral cat about 25 yrs ago on my first and only shooting trip.I could not believe the size difference between that feral cat and the puddy that sits on nannas knee ! and they want to introduce ARNIE SWARTZENEGER (spelling ?) type cats !Our wildlife will disapear.

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter H (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 02:01

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 02:01
G'day Glen. Feral cats and I see 'eye to eye'. I see their eyes when spotlighting and usually can drop a pill into one of them. 60 grain hollow points a tad over 3000FPS works a real treat (for me, at least).
They are good targets but not good sports. I suppose the benefits of these larger cross-breed moggies will be they'll be easier to see through the telescopic sights of my rifle.
Can anyone imagine what this breed at 14 kg domestic, will develop into as they inter-breed with feral cats in the wild? So much for speculation about 'panther reports' in the bush? Will we see new born lambs and other domestic stock taken by these animals?
Will our quarantine protocols guarantee that we remain disease free?

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Reply By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:03

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:03
Now 2319

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Reply By: woodie3 - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:04

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:04
Now 2306,we don't need them,cats are eminently suitable to the dry land conditions in Australia and thrive ,keep them out, Bill
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Reply By: Member - Nev (TAS) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:31

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:31
Hi there

Number 2340.

Absolutely no!!!!!!
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Reply By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:52

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 20:52
2346.

People are the problem. They don't desex their cats. That don't keep them indoors AT ALL TIMES, not just at night. "It's not my 'Tinkerbell' killing native birds and small marsupials". It is 'people' that will let this new threat into the country.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 21:00

Saturday, Jun 21, 2008 at 21:00
Forgot to mention that there are those 'run cages'; a series of mesh tunnels so that the cat can be outside but not able to do any damage. I'm sure most cat owners use them because they are so responsible....

But maybe the price of this new feral will mean that most will live in expensive apartments. Imagine the amount of kitty-litter needed. Don't run downstairs to buy some milk and leave your child alone....
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 03:53

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 03:53
ive never seen redder than the cat owner that old me their cat was OK because it never killed birds only lizards


I would list without a doubt my lifes greatest achievement was catching and killing a feral cat with my bare hands (everyone i tell dont belive me but i have 2 witnesses )
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Follow Up By: Wisey - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 08:47

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 08:47
Thanks Anne.

2477

Peter Garrett is my local member and if he wants to stay that way he had better "strongly opose" the introduction of this breed.

Link will be forwarded to all in my list.

Andy
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:18

Sunday, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:18
2500

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 13:09

Tuesday, Jun 24, 2008 at 13:09
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