Tyres and punctures
Submitted: Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 06:04
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Member - Phil B (WA)
Hi guys, just got back from a 5000 km trip around some of the Western Deserts.
Thought I would share the puncture count. Vehicles are listed from first to last in convoy.
100 Series Cooper STs 10 punctures
80 Series BFGs 5 punctures
Prado M Thompson Baja MTZ 3 punctures
100 series Cooper St's 0 punctures
Hilux Duellers 1 punctures.
And for those with technical questions such as "was the white lettering outside". On the 10 puncture vehicle it was inside and the 0 puncture vehicle it was outside.
I am not making any comment about which tyre is best, more puncture resistant etc just reporting what happened. In saying that I was surprised at how quickly the Baja MTZs were chipping.
Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:01
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:01
Just one 'technical' question :o)
Was one vehicle in the lead more than any others?
If yes, could this have made a difference to the statistics?
Assume the hilux and prado had a narrower track then the three cruisers.
As it was quoted to me, a famous aussie politician during the Korean war once gave an example about statistics. "99% of people who were killed in Korea during the war wore trousers, therefore trousers are dangerous".
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:20
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:20
John,
So what did the other 1% wear...Kilts?
Bill.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:38
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:38
The order didn't change. The 10 puncture vehicle was always first through to the Hilux always last.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:21
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:21
Not far wrong. :o)
The figure includes civilians too.
In Korean culture the women usually wear slacks. The 1% are the women who wore skirts, and maybe one or two Scots .
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:08
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:08
Gday Phil B,
How much off-track (cross country) driving?
Did the leader like high pressures or low pressures??
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:44
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:44
Hi Phil G
We did about 400 kms of cross country work with tracks poor to almost invisible and another 250 kms no tracks. It was all in the
Little Sandy Desert
Tyre pressures were reduced to around 22 lb front and 25 lb rear, to enable us to get over the sandy ground and soft dunes.
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:56
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:56
Aaahhhh Phil G and I can't help ourselves when it comes to tyre or puncture threads.....hahahahaha
Our tally out in the great Sandy in May and 400km cross country
GQ(Leader) MRF Crossplies 1 punture
Navara BFG Muds 7 punctures plus one destroyed
Troopy BFG 285's 7 punctures
80 series Toyo Open Country 315's(Tail end Charlie) 2 punctures(or so he said....lol)
GQ ran pressures at 13psi cold. Others ran higher pressures between 20 and 30psi because they knew what they were doing or so they said.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:51
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:51
Hi Willem
Getting punctures out in that country is almost guarnteed.
From your tally, I see the lead vehicle with MRF tyres had only 1 puncture. I have heard MRFs are great sand tyre. How do you rate them?
The BFGs (my tyres) sure got a battering on your trip.
Tyres running at 30 psi over that country - they must have gobbled fuel.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 13:08
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 13:08
Ah, the one that was destroyed was a Simes......
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 14:29
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 14:29
Phil
I have been running the MRF Super Tractions and will by all accounts get about 40,000km from them. So far only one puncture. Stake in sidewall and it pinched the tube. The Super Tractions are a tad too agressive for desert driving BUT they have got me out of trouble too(and in to trouble where the sand was soft). I am happy with the MRF's. In a previous episode I ran Coopers out there and destroyed them. Once you start making a track through gidgee country you do need a tyre with robust sidewalls
Mick Hutton of Beadell Tours runs MRF Super Miler highway crossplies tyres in
the desert and swears by them. I am thinking of replacing the ST with the SM. Trouble is they are no good in mud country.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 05:31
Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 05:31
Thanks for the info Willem,
I had heard Mike Hutton runs MRFs.
I heard from a group who used them when they went from the
Calvert range east to
Eagle Hwy a few years back and had all sorts of trouble crossing dunes. I have no idea what pressures, 4wd experince etc they had.
Enjoyed your report on your last trip - a good read. Thanks also for posting the 1957 Lake McKay report on your site. Its difficult to get that sort of info.
If I can be of help in planning any of your future trips in WA (I have done a fair bit in the back blocks) please feel free to ask.
cheers
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Reply By: Garbutt - Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 19:54
Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 19:54
I drove to town today on Coopers, 3 km on bitumen and no punctures. I got new tyres fitted, and drove 3 km home on BFG tyres, no punctures. There fore Coopers are the same as BFG, make sense to me after 6 beers.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 08:42
Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 08:42
Hope you weren't driving your WORK car after 6 beers :-)
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Follow Up By: Garbutt - Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 09:01
Friday, Jul 04, 2008 at 09:01
No Willem, the beers were after getting home. But I'll be driving the work car while you blokes and blokesses are all having fun at
Innamincka next week. Not to worry, having a weekend out at Sunset this weekend then planning for going back to
Kimberley next year. Have fun up there and don't let Des win anything.
GB
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Reply By: Big Dog - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 13:10
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 13:10
"And for those with technical questions such as "was the white lettering outside". On the 10 puncture vehicle it was inside and the 0 puncture vehicle it was outside."
I'm a newbie here, have just got a GXL TD Prado and did alot of reading on this site before making the decision on what to get.
Anyway my question is - by white lettering are you refering to the text on the side wall of the tyre, and if so what is the difference in putting it inside or outside.
Matt.
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Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 14:40
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 14:40
None
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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 16:12
Tuesday, Jul 08, 2008 at 16:12
Yes white text - benefit none - jut kidding. I was pre empting others asking the question.
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