Roadtrains and Tourists.
Submitted: Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:10
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Oldsquizzy (Kununurra)
Over a period of time on here I have seen a few posts by people complaining about road trains hugging the centre of the road.
I have tried to explain the reason ie- allweather section in centre giving a hard surface and soft shoulders off this section. A lot of these roads are beef roads and station access roads that eventually people find pretty things to go and see along them.
This week a tourist towing a van ( in his own words didn't want to get bogged) hugged the centre and wouldn't move over forcing a of cattle to move over.
The end result was the road train rolled over cattle escaped and others the rangers from town had to go and destroy as they were injured, 250000 dollars worth of road train destroyed and the station who had mustered lost there cattle on the way to market. The road train driver was okay.
It is so much easier for a light vehicle on these station and beef roads when they see a approaching to slow down and move over.
Reply By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:12
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:12
OK
well spell check worked
well it took road train out of that twice. I spose that is one way to correct spelling, remove it ....grin
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Reply By: Tony - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:18
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:18
It only takes a little bit of CDF to allow trucks to have all the road. If the verges are wet, use your radio to give the driver plenty of warning on what your intentions are.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:42
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 08:42
ex military eh Tony?
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Follow Up By: Tony - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:50
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:50
Yep, 21 years in the
Grey Funnel Line.
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Follow Up By: plusteck - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 17:11
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 17:11
The guys that drive raod trains in the outback are generally very responisible and curteous drivers,, I understand their need to drive more to the centre for comfort and safety, if need be I pull over and stop (and get a thankyou wave from the driver) its a lot easier for me to pull over and stop then it is for a road train. hell whats that about 20 to 30 seconds of your time,
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 18:42
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 18:42
Only 10.5 years for me, half in the black funnel line, lol
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Reply By: DIO - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:33
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:33
The need for courtesy and common sense applies equally to all parties. Perhaps road trains should be required to travel a little slower (given their weight and length) so that both they and oncoming traffic can negotiate safetly.
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Follow Up By: Member - V8Diesel (WA) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:03
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:03
Nice theory twinkle toes.
People should all live in peace too and doctors should make medicine for everything so people don't get sick and people shouldn't take drugs and people shouldn't steal things and sharks shouldn't bite people and people shouldn't say rude words and rich people should share their money with poor people and politicians shouldn't lie about stuff and clouds should be made of fairy floss and taps should have lemonade instead of
water and pretty flowers should grow everywhere and the crosswalk attendant should be a fluffy Koala........
It's simple mate - They're bigger than you, are 5 times longer, 10 times heavier and have 3 trailers hooked together in a long bendy line......GET OUT OF THEIR WAY YOU MEATHEAD.
Go read another Enid Blyton book or bang your tambourine in the sandpit DIO. Now don't forget to put your spencer, mittens and scarf on, it might be chilly out there in the big bad world.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:19
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:19
Hahahahahahahahaha....I damn near wet my pants reading that .....V8Diesel
But I think you forgot just two little things, May my beer and fuel
tank never run dry.
DIO,
I agreed with you a few posts back??.....Sorry! I take it back!
There is no hope....................
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:31
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:31
I've always wondered what two roadtrains do when they come across each other on these narrow roads?
Why should the tactics be any different to a caravan that can't/does want to get bogged as
well?
Genuine question here, not stirring the pot.....i'm interested in the answer.
Thanks
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:43
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:43
When 2 road trains meet they have no option but to slow down, usually talk to each other and negotiate the passing manouver. It will then take 5 klm of high fuel consumption to get back up to speed.
If your time is not costing you money then move over and let the working people work as effecently as possible.
They are paying the taxes that keep us on the road and fed.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:24
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:24
I think you will also find a truck driver has more trust in another truck driver than a
grey nomad. They both have a fair idea how the other truck is going to respond.
No offence to
grey nomads as they arent all bad...BUT , you could toss a coin to work out how they will react.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 08:09
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 08:09
Thanks for the replies.
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:32
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:32
I doubt that just moving over caused a road train to roll over. I strongly suspect that speed was also a contributing factor.
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Follow Up By: gasgas - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 12:43
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 12:43
I can easily see how these monsters can tip.
A lot of these roads have very rounded shoulders and with bullocks upwards of a ton each, perched 4 odd metres off the ground makes for a top heavy, very tippy vehicle. Add to this that the slightest movement on the steering wheel can have the rear trailer in a serious whip...I say, just get out of the way and give them the road.
If you can't see a roadtrain coming towards u without enough time to either talk to the driver on the radio or pull over safely and wait for them to pass then something is seriousely wrong.
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Follow Up By: Rock Ape - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:24
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:24
Kiwi,
You obviously haven't driven anything big
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:32
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:32
""If you can't see a roadtrain coming towards u without enough time to either talk to the driver on the radio or pull over safely and wait for them to pass then something is seriousely wrong.""
Totally agree with you gasgas. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Louie the fly - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:03
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:03
I always approach it this way.
ME - 4.8m long and 2T approx. Travelling at 90kmh
ROAD TRAIN - 40m long & xxxT approx. Travelling at 90 kmh
Easier for me to stop than the road train. Besides, I don't like the idea of wearing my ring up around my neck.
Having said all that, the road rules apply to everyone so we ALL need to consider what may be on the road, road trains included. Maybe they should be speed limited a bit more, and the speed lmits on dirt roads reduced.
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Reply By: SteveL - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:26
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:26
Trucks can and do roll over even at very slow speeds because of soft edges on the road.This especially goes for cattle trucks and trucks with
hay bales which are very top heavy.They are allowed to go to 4.6 metres in height unlike normal freight which is only allowed to go to 4.3 metres.
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Follow Up By: Oldsquizzy (Kununurra) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:55
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:55
Estimated 15 to 20 klms an hour. Why driver was unhurt and a lot of the cattle survived. Roadtrains on beef roads know who is where and what is happening with each other. talk on radios and know where the road is wide enough to pass each other. One will stop and wait for the other to get there. very rarely do two stations on the one road muster at the same time as a lot of them help each other out and flooding the market with beef only drops the price.
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:30
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 13:30
Everyone has the right to the road BUT when some thing like that is coming towards you a bit of common sense is needed. Firstly if you cant see a truck with the dust that would be flying up around it,stones, and the like on an open dirt road then you either need glasses or shouldnt be driving secondly you wont be able to see past it anyway till the dust settles so you would be driving blind for a minute or two (whats behind him ??). How much would say a cruiser/patrol with a van on the back weigh all up ?? 4or 5 tonne ?? How much would these trucks weight including live stock ??? Work out the figures I know what I would be doing. UHF not available (shouldnt be out there) but if its not, pull over to the left without hitting the side stuff and adjust your speed to just a crawl headlights on, and weight till he rumbles past then on your merry way again, less chance of a broken windscreen and a sh#t load safer. Pretty simple really. These blokes are very good drivers and most have probably been doing from a
young age, so they know the roads better then most and they will see you. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 17:36
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 17:36
Squizzy
As long as I can remember it has been etiquette up here to allow road trains to stay on the centre of the road and for other vehicles (cars, 4wd, caravan, etc) to get off the road.
It is far easier for other vehicles to move over than fop a road train.
What concerns me is that it has to be discussed on this site.
Tjilpi
Tjilpi
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 18:19
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 18:19
Kumunara, a reminder to drivers about the basics is not out of place.
Even with our rig, we pull over and stop for an approaching road train - and on a dirt road, wait for the dust to clear a bit before starting again. All simple common sense, but out there you can see many drivers not using common sense.
Motherhen
Waiting in
Kununurra for replacement solar panels (under Kyocera's 25 yeawr waranty)
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 18:35
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 18:35
Speaking personally, I accept the common sense need to pull over and let the trucks through. However, there is a lot of point in discussing this here. If it is commonly accepted practice to pull over, why not advise drivers of this with warning signs on the road? You can't expect tourists new to an area to automatically be aware of things like this. And these are areas that many drivers will do maybe only once in their driving life (no joke intended.) If it isn't the norm, tell them what is expected.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:14
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:14
Mfewster, i thought it would be considered the norm, unless you are on a wide bitumen road (with white line down the middle). Just as it is common sense not to pass approaching a crest like a vehicle labelled
Home Valley did on the GRR. There is always someone who does the wrong thing, although they sometimes are lucky not to cause a tragedy.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:44
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:44
I was responding to Sqizzies comment that implied there was a local etiquette in the region and my point was that if so, advise vistors to the area of this with
sign posts. The biggest problem I have had with road trains up there was not seeing them so I could give way. One travelling very fast was overtaking me and I didn't know he was there because of the dust I was kicking up. On another occasion, I pulled over to let an advancing truck through and almost didn't see the second truck that was traveling in the dust cloud behind the first. Must have been a very uncomfortable spot to drive in, but he was doing it.
Just about all my experiences with road train drivers have been pretty positive re thrir skills and helpfulness.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 19:02
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 19:02
Hi Mfewster - And it would be nice if they called up on the 2way to say they want to or a re about to pass - some do, most don't, and we have a big 40 on the back and the front of the caravan.
Mh
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Reply By: Holden4th - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 20:20
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 20:20
Why argue with a road train? How dumb is that?
I also suspect that with the variety of comms devices on road trains (just look at how many antennae they have) that they send out a signal/tone that can be picked up by other RTS so they have plenty of time to organise a good place to pass.
The van tower wasn't a Victorian nomad by any chance? Maybe the truckie should have exercised
Darwin's law and carried on straight down the centre and wiped this inconsiderate and arrogant fool off the road for good! He/she obviously doesn't deserve to be there.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 22:09
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 22:09
Wow, are you DIO's mother by any chance?
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 20:49
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 20:49
About five years ago I tried to do the right thing for a road train. I pulled over to the left and stopped to allow the road train the full width of the road (including the shoulders) - I was
well out of the way. The bugger then used all the road as was intended but I don't think it was necessary to also use the shoulder nearest to me thus showering me in sharp gravel where the road has recently been resurfaced. The centre bitumen was clean. Ah
well, all it cost me was a windscreen and much paintwork to be repaired. It made me feel good thought to have done the right thing - not. Yeah, I know most do the right thing but the one who doesn't irritates me and my wallet.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:51
Sunday, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:51
I am not saying it didn't happen Longtooth but I would question that it was a purposeful act on the part of the truckie.
There are many reasons that a big rig might move across the road at any time. I have never driven a really big rig but even single trailers can move because of wind or road conditions.
He may have moved across to avoid something that you did not see or even tried to go the other way to give you a bit more room and had a problem with that and swayed back in your direction. He may even be human and just lost concentration for a second. I know he shouldn't have but it's even happened to me, driving the wife's Astra the other day I got the blinkers and wipers mixed up and while I was shaking my head at my self I ran the wheels along the cat's eyes on the lane line for a little while.
In all my years driving I have only ever come across one genuine cowboy/bully in a truck and he was not out in the bush.
Duncs
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 03:12
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 03:12
Squizzy
Fact of life, they need us to help them, by getting right out of the way, and lets face it, they are not really that hard to pick up .
I just call them up, and get right off the road, and stop...
Usually that much dust and shyte flying everywhere, you cannot see anyway.
Anyway, I'm on holidays, and these poor buggers,, are working
Cheers MAte
Bucky
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 07:24
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 07:24
Having just been to
Birdsville for our first trip out there, and not having had much experiance with Road Trains in the past, I asked around a few fellow travellers who HAD been out there and followed their advice. And their advice was just plain old fashioned common sense really. So when a RT was approaching, I flashed my lights and immediately announced on UHF, "You have the road mate", then got out of their way. The response was always a polite thank you from them.
I worked out for myself that whilst we're on holidays happily wandering carefree out to enjoy the
Simpson Desert and surrounds etc, these blokes are still at work and the highway is their office!!
The other thing I noticed was the amount of people who are travelling without comms! I would think it should be somehow mandatory to have UHF at least in your rig so that you can contact others, or more importantly, be contacted!
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:24
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:24
Brian,
You make some good points there. Got me buggered too, why people don't invest in a UHF. Maybe they don't want to communicate with anyone???
The other wise advice I was given by a long-term truck driver was to use your blinker, when the road train is approaching. Then he can see you are preparing to pull over.
They're all too big to play "chicken" with,
Hooroo,
Bob.
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Reply By: austastar - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:48
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:48
Did 'the block' years ago on a motorbike.
Easer to get off the road that a rig, I know. On dirt roads, at the first sign of a RT, and for our saftey, we would pull right off the road to the windward side to keep out of the dust and flying rocks.
The dust takes minutes to settle any way, so we would stretch the legs and take a break.
cheers
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Reply By: austastar - Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:52
Monday, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:52
Did 'the block' years ago (1976) on a motorbike.
Easer to get off the road than a rig, I know. On dirt roads, at the first sign of a RT, and for our saftey, we would pull right off the road to the windward side to keep out of the dust and flying rocks.
The dust takes minutes to settle any way, so we would stretch the legs and take a break.
cheers
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