First Aid and camping burns

Don't know about the "rich set" Brian.
You're the one on the Gold Coast :)

Only had time for a short break as I have my own business.

See post 51885.

Hi Michael,

Rich Set????? Us???? LOL...... Well, we ARE on the Gold Coast, out at suburban Nerang, resplendent in our 3 bedroom brick-and-tile 160 m2 "Château"...... LOL.........

I read your post with interest and may I bore you with the following, this is just an opinion........ I don't make the rules!!!

:-))

What type of business do you run? How long have you been established? I ask only because I too am self employed, and I understand the time constraint that can come with that. I am in commercial refrigeration & air conditioning, est. 8 years now. I have a fellow fridgie who takes my phone for emergency call outs when I go away and I do the same for him. The hardest part is trusting your business with someone else, lucky for me I have known this guy for 22 years and trust him. No "regular" work gets done, like quoteds or maintenance, just emergency's. In the first 3 years, I went away for long weekends every 3 months, but back then I had 24 call status and lots of subbie work that kept me running! The long weekends were just to unwind, and then we got the 4by, stopped the 24hr callout thing, and over the last 3 years have been thinking of the BIG TRIP, but we can't do that just yet. So we have to console ourselves with 3 week jaunts here and there.

(And sometimes even that doesn't work, have a readhere. That was our last trip last month)

We did 3 weeks around the New England Tableland in 2006, last year just over 2 weeks Mackay, Arlie Bch, Winton, Longreach, home.. and this years trip was meant to be nearly 3 weeks doing the "3 Corners". The thing I find is, as others have said, the journey is the most important part. We loved our brief sojourn into the Simpson Desert and Birdsville, but wouldn't have missed 1 metre of the 3 day trip to get there for anything. There is some beautiful countryside out there just waiting to be looked at. And I want to see as much of it as I can.

I have learnt that life and money share a common thing..... you can't take either of 'em with you!


Regards

Brian

iDIOt strikes again......
What is it with you ya tosser.
It sounds to me like a simple accident that could have happened to anyone.
But you have to try and make it someones fault.
It sounds like they where very prepared and capable to deal the situation.
My kids have been around fires for years and have never had an accident (just lucky I guess).
No amount of supervision could have stopped what happened you fool!
I think these people should be comended for their actions and preperation not blamed.....
This is just another example of you making insulting brain dead comments and then climbing back under your rock.
What type of twat are you? Have you been brought up wraped in cotton wool? Surely you cant be a stupid as you continualy portray yourself?

Go away and get a life

gday Hairy



the answer to that last Q.



yep!

It's beginning to sound to me as if there is more than one bully on here - time to lay off DIO for some of you people.

Mike Harding

Ok Im sorry......
I promise I wont reply to iDIOt's insulting posts anymore........
One one condition.......He stops making them
Fair?

Cheers

lol

We carry both types of pain killers, the prescription ones are for myself and Lyn (No we do not suffer from pain, it's just in case) and the over the counter ones are for us or other people who may need them.

You can get into heaps and heaps of trouble for suppling prescription drugs to others.

Plus you don't know what side effects they will cause, over the counter drugs are a bit safer.

Not everyone carries the 1000 page Martindale drug reference book with them.

Under law you are not even allowed to administer prescription drugs to the person who's name is on the prescription.

Never use out of date Aspirin based drugs as they become toxic and as we all know this goes for every other drug too....RIGHT

When we did our First Aid training I mentioned this and the instructor ignored what I said about Aspirin but went on giving a lecture about using out of date products, most products degrade efficiency when going out of date but Aspirin is one product that can kill if used out of date.


Regards Richard

Hi Olcoolone,
Can you point me to something in writting about out of date asprin being dangerous. I would like to look into this a bit more.

Thanks

I have heard that when aspirin goes off it smells like vinegar.

But as for toxicity, you would think that it would be mentioned on the bayer site:

Bayer Aspirin

but it is just the usual gumph about "not as effective"...

To me that says that it is not as effective.

I suppose they don't tell you because you should not us out of date products, a bit like food they don't tell you what will happen if it's out of date.

Duty of care finishes when a product goes out of date.

Salicylic acid is what Aspirin is made of, Salicylic acid can be dangerous to the humane body if ingested.

The manufactures alter Salicylic acid and form a compound called acetylsalicylic acid that is safer to ingest.

Over time the safer compound called acetylsalicylic acid can undergo decomposition and break down and returns to Salicylic acid that could be dangerous.

Salicylic acid is a fantastic pain reliever but if taken it can often damaged the mucous membranes of the mouth and esophagus and caused hemorrhaging of the stomach lining.

Yes Salicylic acid does smell like vinegar as aspirin is produced by taking salicylic acid acetylating it with acetic anhydride. This chemical process yields the aspirin itself along with a byproduct of acetic acid.

The key component of vinegar is acetic acid.

Salycylic acid is also used to treat acne.

Regards Richard

Hi there cool one,

Nup... acetic acid smells like vinegar... as it is the major component of vinegar. (which is not toxic in case you were wondering)

The Salicylic acidis toxic to humans - over 400mg approx... and this is what Aspirin is once metabolised in the liver, which is absorbed into the body via different pathways, some faster than others.

I think your thinking makes a lot of sense, but in the case of aspirin, for instance, fails to take into account a lot of other stuff.

For instance you might want to think about what goes into the labelling:

* regulatory regimes
* requirements on testing
* consideration of "worst case" storage conditions
* arze protection
* commercial considerations

Have a read of this article from a reliable web source:Medscape Article

The issues above are well considered. I think once you've read this you might behave differently, but then again, that is entirely your choice... I'm a physical chemist by training and a sceptic.

Cheers
Andrew who still has no aircon but still has no time to get to Research Road ;-)

But unfortunately people will take 2 to 3 aspros at a time 5 times a day thinking it's safe.

Everyone thinks Aspirin is safe because we all have grown up with it....aspririn will fix anything, it's always in the media about the benefits of taking it.

Someone takes 3 aspros 5 times a day (3 tablets every 5 hours), that is 4500mg a day so what would be the outcome if the tablets did turn back to Salicylic acid due to being out of date.

To much vinegar can make you very sick or kill you as it will increase the body's PH levels.

People forget the whole human body is a big chemistry set and anything you take in high doses can unbalance this big chemistry set as known to most as the human body.

Yeah well too much of most things... speaking of salicylic acid, you will find it in:

curry powder, paprika, licorice

and watch out for all those herbal preparations:

cat's claw, dong quai, evening primrose, feverfew, garlic, ginger, ginkgo, red clover, horse chestnut, green tea, ginseng.

The ordinary american diet can contain as much as 200mg a day!

Cheers
Andrew who thinks we'll need to put Richard in cotton wool ;-)

We have a Tackle Box full of First Aid gear, and have recently included
a Blood Pressure Monitor, just in case the Patient can't be moved
and you have to relay any Vital Signs, by Radio ect, they only cost
$125-00 .

Thanks Michael appreciated. Have made a copy of it to go shopping. Thanks again. Regards Steve M

The mistake most people make when cooling burns is that they don't do it for long enough.

I am a Firey, I attended a fire a number of years ago where the chip pan had caught fire on the stove top. Dad picked it up and carried it outside, in the process he suffered serious burns to the front of his chest, arms, neck and face.

We arrived before the Ambo's put the fire out and started to cool Dad's burns. It was a late Autumn day and he started to shiver about the time the Ambos arrived so we stopped the cooling. The Paramedics immediately applied more cold water, explaining that the shivering was of minor consequence. It was more important to minimise the affect of the burns.

A few years later I had an accident abseiling, it's a funny story for the camp fire, but it hurt at the time, serious burns to my hand. My hand was blistered on every finger before I could get any treatment to it. I put my hand in an ice cream container with water and ice. I carried this container around for about 6 hours keeping my hand cold to the point of pain. The next day I was using the hand, the blisters cleared up quickly and I had no ongoing problems or scarring.

When you apply water to cool a burn, use cold water, use lots of it and use it for a long time.

Duncs

DUNCS



i agree, as far as water on burns go, "as much as for as long as."

Its all good having a large first aid kit but making sure you know what to do with it is the main thing ( I have no doubt that Michael O does). Some years ago we did a Remote Area first aid course run by St Johns over a few weekends, fantastic and heaps of fun. Good to hear the little fella was alright.