Turbo timers

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:14
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just wondering what the benefits of installing a turbo timer are if any ?
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:29

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:29
None at all.
If they were required then manufactures would install them as standard.

Todays bearing material and modern synthetic oils are designed to cope with the high temps involved in modern turbo charged engines.

Save your money and if your really concerned then just let the car sit on idle for a couple of minutes before turning it off and getting out.
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:36

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:36
Only beneficial if you stop your engine after working it hard (like in soft sand). Otherwise just let your engine idle to 5 - 10 sec before turning off.
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Follow Up By: Kroozer - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 16:01

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 16:01
I would give it at least a minute. 5-10 seconds aint going to do anything.
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 09:06

Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 09:06
My turbo timer is automatic (set to EGT). In normal city driving, it rarely goes over 10 sec. On long trips on the the freeway, or in sand, it can get up to 2:30.

So, if your turbo has been working hard (within the last 15 minutes of you stopping), then let it cool down for a few minutes, otherwise I wouldn't bother.

R.
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Reply By: Kroozer - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:59

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 15:59
Every good mechanic knows the importance of them. Especially Diesel fitters, i highly recommend them if you have been driving hard or a decent distance. Of course vehicle manafacturers wont put them on as standard equipment, because the turbo will go over time, usually well after the warranty has expired. But when it does go, then the small outlay of the turbo timer quickly outprices a new turbo. Trust me they work.
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Reply By: Voxson - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 16:11

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 16:11
I thought manufacturers dont put them in because of the legal view of you are not allowed to walk away from an idling vehicle.
In my owners handbook it explains to run the engine for a while before shutting down if country driving or hard work has recently occured.

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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:07

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:07
Ditto that!! We have a current model 3 litre diesel & the manual states to let it idle for about 45 seconds before switching off after a hard pull or straight of hwy speed.
It quickly becomes a habit to let it idle every time regardless of the trip, easy, hard, long or short!! I have developed a habit to let it idle for about a couple of minutes or so every time before switching off, even if I have just been down the street.
As a side issue, my wife gets annoyed when I drive her petrol car because my habit is now well embedded, & I automatically let it idle down before switching it off!! LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:10

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:10
Working on the theory that prevention is better than a cure I have installed one on my Croozer and have it set to stop after 90secs.
Looking at the EGT gauge it seems that it cools down enough in that time to turn it off. 2 mins maybe better however.

As said above a $60 timer is cheaper than a $6000 turbo anytime.
It is however illegal in Qld at least to leave a vehicle with the engine running. How they would move it with no key etc I dont know.
Manufacturers dont put anything in that ups the initial bulid cost.

A great example was the Ford car that they left the bracing struts out in the rear across the fuel tank.

Initial cost was $1 yes $1 per car. Ended up costing them multi millions in lawsuits.

Incidentally I drove one of them in the USA
Equiv to a mark 3 Cortina. At Las Vegas I had to change down when I turned the aircon on going up a very gradual rise. Probably they got rear ended cos they couldnt go fast enuf to get out of the way. LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:54

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:54
Some good points there, and I would have to agree that $60 is cheap insurance. One day my "habit" might let me down and Murphys law states that I will forget at the time when Ive been towing the van uphill, into a headwind, wifey lecturing me on something or other, wondering would it cost much to divorce her,my mind pre occupied with whether or not I have enough cold beer in Frig & the need for a quick leak behind a bush at the first available spot to pull off and "Bang", habit forgotten!! Turbo stuffed?? Wifes fault!! LOL
Is that all it costs to have one fitted & can you adjust the time?
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 23:47

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 23:47
It's Illegal to leave a vehicle running unattended in any state, Graham if the motors running you can drive it,Just keep resetting the timer,used to do this when speed limiters fist came out on trucks when ignition off no speed limiter but now they are wired through computers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:57

Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:57
U may be able to but its Bl**dy hard to steer it with the wheels locked at full lock like I leave mine.
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Reply By: Rosco - Qld - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:36

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:36
As has been stated above. Legalities aside, I reckon they're a good investment for the odd time you may inadvertently switch off without waiting that crucial 1/2 min or so. After all is said and done, the lub to the turbo is courtesy of the oil pump from the engine.
Stop the engine and the turbo may run dry (un-oiled).

It removes the .... "Oh bleep ... " factor

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Reply By: bevan83 - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:57

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:57
so all in all i sould invest in one, can i fit one myself or is it better to have it fitter buy someone i the know ?
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Reply By: RobAck - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:59

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 17:59
The first thing to do is check with your insurance company and motor registration branch. They are illegal in most jurisdictions given that you are actually not in control of the vehicle with the engine on.

Apart from that the longest time any owners handbook, for standard 4WD's advises running the engine is around 2-3 minutes after any sustained work like travelling at 100 kph for any time and/or working very hard off road.

So in a general sense 2-3 minutes is no great stress and all you are doing is sitting there for a short period of time before switching off and getting out of the car. A much cheaper option I suggest

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 18:20

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 18:20
Autobarn sell a Mini Turbo Timer for about $69 depending on how hard you talk.
It has only 4 wires.
Generally black and brown go to earth and the other two go across your iginition wires behind your switch
Depending on the vehicle you have someone can tell you which wires Just strip a bit of insulation and solder the wires together.
I can give u the Croozer wires if needed.
Its small enuf to mount above the column and in front of your instruments. Takes longer to pull covers off than it takes to fit it.
Is adjustable from 0-9mins
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 20:07

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 20:07
The turbo timer is meant to run your engine for a few minutes to cool it down, you can do that yourself without a timer. Add to that the legalities of timers, I decided instead to install a pyrometer to monitor exhaust gas temperature. That way I can watch what temps my motor is running at and adjust my revs etc. to suit, and when I stop I watch the temp drop to an acceptable level before cutting the engine.

Just a different way of looking at it, but personally I would never have a turboed engine without a pyro.


Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 20:36

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 20:36
Hi Brian.
Have to agree with your comments.The pyro is certainly a good investment.
Vince
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Follow Up By: Mike GU - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 00:56

Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 00:56
What would be an acceptable temp level by the way? 250C or less?
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Follow Up By: Member - Vince B (NSW) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:41

Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 17:41
Hi Mike.
I have my sender unit installed after the turbo.Apparently there is a difference of 200C between before/after turbo placement.
On a recent outback trip in july I had readings mainly in the high 200/low 300.The max reached was 515C on a long climb north of Tamworth(northern NSW).
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 18:26

Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 18:26
Mike,
On good authority, (the mechanic that works on my truck....) I watch it cool to around 175 deg C..... usually takes at most 1-2 minutes....

Cheers

Brian
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Reply By: Member - William B (The Shire) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 21:28

Thursday, Aug 21, 2008 at 21:28
Hi bevan83,
I have always taken the view that even if I have driven the vehicle hard for a while, you dont arrive at your destination and then turn off your motor there is allways a period of slow speed driving involved before uou shut down the motor.
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Reply By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46

Friday, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46
Hows it going Bevan,

I am lead to believe that it is required more with an turbo that is oil cooled only ( rather than water cooled as well )

The idea is to prevent the oil in the bearings of the turbo being cooked when it is trapped there at shut down ,this is reduced if the turbo is cooled down a bit after hard work. Apparently the coolant in the water jacket keeps cooling after shutdown on a water cooled one.

Was looking on an after marke turbo installers website the other day and one said they didnt need turbo timers cause they didnt run high enough boost.

I have heard the problem with compliance is with manual cars , cause you are supposed to leave them in gear.

I just use common sense , and have even trained my Missus to let it warm down .

Glenn
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