Another solar question

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 17:24
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We have a 100w solar panel on the caravan roof, connected to a 100amp gel battery, when the full sun is on the panel the battery is showing 15.5. When the sun goes over the reading drops back to 13.2. Does his sound right? Are we going to damage the battery? Do you think the regulator is working properly because I thought they were supposed to cut out at 13. something.
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Reply By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 17:49

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 17:49
hey Pip, just wondering if you have the instructions for the solar controller, if you do it should tell you in there!!! If you don't them do a google search for the manufactures of your solar regulator and it should come up with a manual and that should tell you!!!

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 18:02

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 18:02
Thats to much Pippy , and you may damage your battery.

The regulator is more likely to cut out a bit above 14 depending on battery type.

Disconnect the battery and check voltage at regulator terminals as a first step.

Their probably is a setting you can make and if setting doesn't change the regulators output volts then its faulty.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 19:30

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 19:30
Pippy,

I agree with Robin.

If you have a 3 stage controller, the factory preset on good quality controllers for bulk voltage is 14.3, float voltage 13.5. The adjustable range for bulk voltage is normally 12 -16.5, the same applies to float voltage.

If your controller is a 3 stage one on bulk charge a preset maximum constant amount of current is fed into the battery, the voltage of the battery increases gradually. After the preset voltage is reached it is then held constant, absorption charge, and as the battery continues to be charged at constant voltage, the charging current decreases.

The charging voltage is held at bulk voltage setting for 1 full hour with various rapid on-off pulses and then switches to Float Charge Mode.

The controller will maintain battery voltage at the float voltage by giving shorter on-pulse charge to make up for any detected self discharge.

When the battery voltage drops below the Float Voltage setting for a total of 10 minutes, a new charging cycle is activated in Bulk or Absorption charge.

So you can expect to see varying voltage during a charging cycle even when the sun is at it's optimum angle.

I understand that AGM and Gel batteries can tolerate a bit more charge than your normal lead acid but I agree that 15.5 is too high. Check the manual for your controller and hopefully you should be able to adjust.
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Reply By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 18:21

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 18:21
Pippy,
15.5 volts is far to high, you should see a max of 14.7 any higher and you'll damage the battery. Get yourself a charger that has at least three different charge profiles, they cost a bit more but you'll save money in the long run.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 18:29

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 18:29
Charger???

Pippy, what you need is a new regulator if the current one is cactus.

Perhaps if you take the current regulator to a solar shop they can test it for you.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 22:56

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 22:56
14.7 V is far too high for gel cell batteries. My Morningstar solar controller gives 14.0 V on the Gel Cell setting.

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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Friday, Aug 29, 2008 at 09:22

Friday, Aug 29, 2008 at 09:22
PeterD,
If you read your Morning Star Manual on page 18, during Battery Equalization stage you can get 14.35 volts for a sealed battery and 14.9 volts for a flooded battery. Pippy may have the wrong battery selected on his regulator plus the multimeter may be over reading the voltage.
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Reply By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 19:17

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 19:17
Yes change the charger to read REGULATOR.
Sorry
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Reply By: Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 19:21

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 19:21
pippy,
(a) is the solar regulator set @ gel battery ?
(b) is it a 3 stage regulator and running something like an 'equalization' charge ?
(c) What brand Solar regulator is it ?

Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: pippy62 - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:21

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:21
a) yes - gel
b) have no idea
c) ifonix i-sokit scc-421 charge controller
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Friday, Aug 29, 2008 at 09:59

Friday, Aug 29, 2008 at 09:59
pippy
Have you measured the 15.5v on consecutive days ?

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Reply By: Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:41

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:41
Hi Pippy

I think the controller is faulty or wired wrong. (By-passed)

It should be at max of 14.4 (approx) and should never reach 15.5V.


Model Number: SCC-421
Max. Current (A 21
Max. Load (W) 315
DC Cut-in Voltage (V) 13
DC Cut-out Voltage (V) 14.2 VDC (GEL Cell) / 14.4 VDC (AGM Lead Acid)
Dimensions (mm / inch) 140 x 75 x 38 mm
Weight (kg / lbs) 0.26 kg / 0.57 lbs
Operating Temperature Range (°C / °F) 0°C ~ 40°C / 14°F ~ 104°F


Regards

Derek.

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Reply By: pippy62 - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:53

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:53
thanks to all who have taken the time to reply..and so promptly too. I think we're up for a new regulator
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:56

Thursday, Aug 28, 2008 at 20:56
pippy,
why not contact the reg supplier - they may assist you further?

Mainey . . .
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Reply By: Member - beachbum - Friday, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:56

Friday, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:56
I agree with the majority that 15.5 V is too high but what meter are you using to get that reading? Before you go getting yourself in a tizz it would be a good idea to check the voltage at the battery with a second meter. If it also reads the high voltage then you will have to take further steps but if it is around the 14.2 V mark it is only an incorrect indication. All too often we forget the KISS principal and bury ourselves with technology.
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