Buying a GU

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 20:18
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I am currently looking at buying a GU and have heard stories regarding No.4 pot getting cooked, 5th gear falling apart, wheels disintergrating ( cracking up ), and generally being allround good buses. I HATE parting with massive wads of the folding stuff for trash - Seems to be a habit with me - & this time decided to do some real research. Any advice will be gladly received.
Thanks - Tetley:-))
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Reply By: Member - Rick - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 20:53

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 20:53
hiya tetley, have had a 3.0tdi GU for a year now and have done nearly 50,000 k without a problem.
that includes a fair amount of offroad stuff, some heavy towing and a few long trips up to the warmer parts of W.A.
i went through the same thing when researching which 4by to get and it all comes down to personal choice.
i found the ground clearance, the best limited slip diff on the market, and its overall feel to be the deciding factors, plus a few other things as well.
do your research make your decision and dont let anyone steer you away from it.
good luck, and whichever 4by you get,,,,welcome to the ranks of the converted.

rick
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:17

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:17
Thanks Rick,
We took a 1980 sd33 round oz in 91 & had a ball - come home with kids - 2001 did tassie with kids in a 1982 lwb mq which is now on gas, thats ok but sick of drivin wrecks - Nissan at this point is the weapon of choice.
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Reply By: Kimbo - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:11

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:11
Hi Tetley
Picked this up posted to the overlanders forum

Rob

you are the 5th 3.0 owner to blow an engine that i know of in aust in
the past 3 months..

the early ones are getting to the age now where they are ready to go.

i would ring val @ nissan headoffice warrenty to put a case to them and
see what they say.

roly
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2000 GU Patrol with a "few" bits added on... , oh and a new engine
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plenty of info on this site

http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=6424&sid=067c63dcb951508dd628f4517c6fa22e

Kimbo

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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:29

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:29
Roly
one of the vehicles I am currently perusing has a new block fitted for this reason, at 106K, apparently its all about a recall because of not enough oil & running lean (hot). Some vehicles never got returned.
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:31

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:31
Apologies Kimbo - it was you who replied.
Tetley
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Follow Up By: Kimbo - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:37

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 21:37
Thats Ok
maybe worth posting a question to roly on the overlander forum Im sure he will be most helpfull to you with any questions you
Kimbo
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 22:47

Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003 at 22:47
Hey Kimbo,

Watch it the tossers wont believe Roly or you that they are heaps of dung!

$14000 Rolys engine cost to rebuild 3.0 GU.

Imagine that 2 weeks out of warranty!
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 00:56

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 00:56
Truckster

I thought they did Roly's under warranty??? didn't they!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 21:55

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 21:55
Yea they did, IM saying if it wasnt under warranty.. $14k+....
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Follow Up By: tristjo - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 00:55

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 00:55
Truckster,

I hate to harp on it, mate, but to date, I have never heard of any 3ltr probs except form you and that rolly dude!! I get around a bit, see alot of trucks of all descriptions, including bucketloads of GU 3'ltrs, and have NEVER heard of a problem.

Might not be as widespread as you think??
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:54

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:54
Hate to harp on it dude, but just cause you havent heard of it doesnt mean there arent any problems. You have NEVER heard of a problem with a 3.0 GU? Never read about gear shafts, gearboxs, motors, etc blowing up? Open your eyes.

Go join the patrol list, search the archives, or just put up a post
"My 3.0 Blew up anyone else had the problem" and see the response you get.

Oh Roly runs the GU list, and has a list of the cars with the problems, and also gets lots of mails from people with the problems.

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Follow Up By: Roly - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:18

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:18
tristjo

if you have never heard of the problems then you need to talk to more people,

maybe askt he police or firebrigades who were the first to destroy engines on a regular basis as they were thrashed from day 1.

as truckster says, i know of a lot of replacement engines as people contact me knowing i got mine on a very publically modified car.

infact my engine blew up the week after it was on the cover of overlander magazine.

the issue is piston overheating resulting in cracks, my engone had cracks in 1 3 and 4 with a hole in 1 from 2 or 3 cracks crossing each other.

it did 80,000kms in 3 years before it let go, including 1 run of 26 hours non stop at 120kmh and another time toweing my race pajero and tools, spares 6 blokes 10,000km in 3 weekends.

feel free to contact me if you want any further info / proof....
Roly

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Reply By: Mick - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:41

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:41
StickwiththeTD42, my old man has the 3L, heaps of little problems, ive got a new ute, the old mans about to trade in. my last truck with the td42 did over 500k being thrashed every day.
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:51

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:51
Mick
thanks for the reply the 4.2 hasn't been ruled out yet. Just gotta find one that hasn't been to the beach.
Tetley
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Reply By: Member - Melissa - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:45

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:45
Tetely,

We have a 4.5L petrol GU with nearly 90K on the clock. Never had a moments trouble with it. We use it around town and tow an offroad trailer with it when touring (usually offroad as much as possible). LUV IT!

:o) MelissaPetrol 4.5L GU Patrol &
Camprite TL8 offroad camper
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:58

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:58
Melissa
thanks for the reply, there really is nothing better than getting out there - preferably as often as possible - only trouble for me with the petrol is feeding it, for mine it's gotta be diesel.
Luv them patrols.
Tetley
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Reply By: Roly - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:58

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:58
lets geta few facts straight rather than heresay.

the early ZD30's were recalled for an extra 2.5 litres of oil capacity in aug-sept 2000, around the same time, new design engines were being fitted to the new cars at the factory.

these new engines have over 25 internal changes includin istons, oil sensors, oil spray patterns etc etc

Nissan are replacing the early ZD30 engines with brand new 2003 long motors, they also supply the new 2003 ECM to go with the new design engines.

this is due to overheating of the pistons resulting in cracking and in my case a hole in 1 piston.

mine was replaced by nissan as "goodwill" as the engine failed on the last day of the warrenty - 3 years.

i know of nissan replacing other early ZD30's with broken piston OUTSIDE OF WARRENTY.

so any car that has a new replacement engine is fine,

the gearbox is similar, in june 2002 a new mainshaft design was available for premature failure of 5th gear. i got mine under warrenty in july 2002 (even with 4" lift and 35's and twin arb diffs etc etc)

Roly
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:39

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:39
Roly
Thanks I have been crawling over this and another site for 2 days now and am slowly going mad. I have an option of 1 nov 2000 3ltr with a new motor, 1 July 2000 3ltr with an original motor that I know the service and use history of ( fire brigade vehicle coming to auction soon) or a April 2000 4.2ltr. There's only a 10k price difference and thats not much over a 15 year period - if everything goes to plan. Your remarks in this and the other forum have all been quiet helpfull - Thanks
Tetley
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:08

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:08
Roly

To your knowledge, is this just a 2003 spec thing or are the motors you refer to a series III thing.

I have a series III built May 2002. I know it has the upgraded 5th shaft and the oil thing but haven't heard anything about the internal changes you mention.

cheers
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Follow Up By: Roly - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:14

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:14
nissan have been playing with new ECM's since day one with this engine in australia.

we have special ECM programs to deal with the worst diesel in the world.

for my new engine they had to fit the new ECM for the extra sensors etc and that required the dash to come out and a new ECM and engine wiring loom to be installed.

the series 3 has the same engine as i now have, but it just depends on what ECM program version you have.

any ZD30 post jan 2001 is safe as far as i know., the series 3 came out in spet 2001 with the intro of the 4.8.

it really only comes down to the very early cars in australia, ie. the ones built pre sump increase....

the sump increase was a bandaid fix in australia, in europe the early engines were replaced proactively by nissan.....
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:22

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 13:22
Thanks Roly

That makes feel a bit better anyway!
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 14:36

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 14:36
Roly

"we have special ECM programs to deal with the worst diesel in the world."

What do you mean by this??

Are you refering to the current GU 3.0td tongue in cheek or saying we can deal with anything here in Aus???

cheers
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Follow Up By: Roly - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 14:51

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 14:51
Nissan Aust retuned the ECM to cope with our crappy diesel quality.

Aust diesel is not a patch on european diesel, although it's getting better since the intro of the new diesel earlier this year.

this is also why our ZD30's oilc hange interval is 10,000km and europe has 15,000km changes.

the issues with the earlier (first 2+ years of production) cars have ECM issues like:

HIgh altitude - lack of acceleration until you lift off the throttle and re accelerate, (this causes the ECM to recalibrate itself for fuel delivery)

lack of boost at 2600rpm when over taking.

Nissan worked with a few owners on the Patrol4wd yahoo list with special configs and japan spec ECM's to find the root cause of these prob's.

i still get the high altitude problem with the 2003 ECM but no where near as often.

I am putting my Safari Dtronic back in this weekend as it also helps cure alot of the problems with the ECM's

Roly
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Follow Up By: Andrew(WA) - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:05

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:05
I thought we did oil changes at 5000k intervals? I do. Can we do 10 without a problem or effecting Warranty Roly.

Does the Dtronic effect warranty to your knowlegde?

cheers
Andy
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Follow Up By: Roly - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:13

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:13
ZD30 is 10,000km oil and filter changes.

initially when released they werent sure whether it was going to be 5 10 or 15k.

i bought mine of day of announcement in april 2000 and was just about the 1st registered privately in australia, they were all stuck on the wharf for a week due to a dispute.

mine has had oil and filter every 10,000km or less... (if offroad)

nissan gave me my new engine as the oil/filter had been changed according to factory service books since day1.

if your dealer is telling you 5000kms he is just out to make more $$$ from you.

as far as a dtronic goes, if nissan prove beyond doubt it caused a failure then they don't have to honour warrenty, but like all mods, they must prove it caused the failure.

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Follow Up By: Andrew(WA) - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:19

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:19
Interesting talking with you Roly. Thanks for your help/advice

I suppose you would say you were happy with your 3.0td until it blew up?? LOL

Lets hope the post GUIII's prove the teathing probs of the pre GUIII a thing of the past...!

Keep us informed of how the new motor goes along with the Dtronic!

cheers
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Follow Up By: Roly - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:31

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 15:31
my car is off the road usually 8-10 weeks a year waiting for parts, repairs or upgrades.

i'm still happy with it and hopefully it will last me another 3.5 years.

the dtronic is awesome, but the new motor is better than the old already.

now it has 2000kms on it, its time for the dtronic to go back in.
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Reply By: The Crow - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 13:16

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 13:16
I have had FWD's for 20 years these include 2 petrol 55's and 1 diesel 80's, 96 landcruiser which I put a DTS turbo in. I have also had 4 pajeros 3 of them were diesel one of them cracked its head cost $2500 for me to do it up myself I also put new pistons in it while I was at it. Now I have a 2002 GU series 3, 3ltr diesel with 30000ks on the clock have been towing 18ft van with it no problems yet, but I have taken out the extended Warranty which will take it to may 2006. I am very happy with it and it goes like a rocket. I think it is the best one I have had yet.
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 19:10

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 19:10
Crow
Thanks for the clues, that works out to about 1 every 2 1/2 years. I'm like that with cars myself, but mine for the most part have all been $1000 heaps, really don't want a $30000 heap. I'm glad you like the nissan.
Tetley
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Reply By: Andrew - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 14:55

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 14:55
Tetley but honestly.
If you heard stories about GU 3l having a lot of problems , would you even consider to try your luck. I wouldn't .
Classifieds are loaded with 3litre TD GUs that seem to be just out of warrenty.
I like a lot of things about GU and would buy one but 3l would not be my first option.
4.2 TD looks like a truck you can take to hell and back and still
drive your family to church on Sunday.
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Follow Up By: tetley13 - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:45

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 18:45
Andrew
The closest I've got to hell so far is Hells gate roadhouse NT and that was in the sd33 and it got back - the 4.2 hasn't been ruled out yet. Thanks for the thoughts
(Must get back there !)
Tetley
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:45

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:45
I've been to Hells Gate but I think its on QLD side of the border.

Happy 4by searching.
I love researching 4bys but buiyng is different story , specially
when following week you see a better deal on similar vehicle.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (Bris) - Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 20:32

Thursday, Jul 24, 2003 at 20:32
Tetley. Had my 3.0TD Auto for seven months. Now done 33000km. Mostly carrying a fair bit of weight for work. Very economical. Plenty enough power. Have a bit of a problem now. Got leaks in transfer case and auto transmission. First time I took it back to nissan they wiped the fluid off and told me there was nothing wrong. Now after a little complaining, it's going in next Tuesday to be repaired. Otherwise a great vehicle. Goes anywhere and further than any other standard fourby.
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Reply By: CLIVEB - Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 16:26

Friday, Jul 25, 2003 at 16:26
Ring Shelley at Nissan 03 9797 4111 she can tell with your vin number if the 3 litre has the modification to the oil capacity.
I have had 4 nissans including 4.2 diesels,the 3 litre is the best yet.
Performance and economy,do not be put off,they are great.
regards
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Reply By: tetley13 - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 14:34

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 14:34
Thanks for the replies all. The bullit was bit and the 4.2 won.
Tetley
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