Camera Expert required - Canon EOS SLR
Submitted: Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 19:52
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Member - Norm C (QLD)
My wife is the photographer of the family. She has a Conon EOS 10D. Great camera, but needs Windows XP on the computer to upload pics. Canon have not (to our knowledge) released a software update to work with Vista, so she currently works with XP.
The camera is the only thing stopping her from moving to Vista. She is about to update the laptop, and of course, they all come with Vista preloaded these days.
She is using this as an excuse to upgrade the camera to a 40D or 50D (soon to be released). Don't blame her for that. I used the caravan as an excuse to upgrade the Hilux to a LC 70 Series.
The question is: If she gets a 40D or 50D, she would like to keep the 10D as a second 'body'. To overcome the Vista / XP problem, if she uses the 10 D for pics, she would take the card from it, put it in the 40D and upload to the laptop from there using Vista.
Question is - is this possible. Will the 40D (or 50 D) read the card from the 10 D and upload the pics normally?
A rather specific question I know, but I also know there are some rather clever camera people out there in ExploreOz land.
Anyone know the answer???
Reply By: toyocrusa - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:04
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:04
Hi Norm. You don't really need to update the camera as windows vista will automatically recognise it and upload the photos. The problem with Vista is that it uploads in an entirely different way to XP and takes quite a bit of learning and practice to get used to it. At present I would say that XP is a better program for photos than Vista but I have not had any formal training with Vista.(I think that will be my next step) Hope that helps. Bob.PS. I download all my photos though the usb cable from the camera with both programs. I am still running my old computer with XP as
well as the new one with Vista.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:22
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:22
Bob, Does this mean you have a 10D and you are using it with Vista? The Canon web site says EOS cameras before the 20D do not support Vista
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Follow Up By: toyocrusa - Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 06:44
Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 06:44
Norm. I have an S2is, an S5is and the 10D and vista recognises all of them with out installing any of the Canon programs. It also recognised my brother's Minolta but all were done through the usb cable for the camera.
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Reply By: Member - Geoff the chef (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:12
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:12
hi norm,
dont really see a problem with changing the cf card between cameras.
i have an eos 20d from a couple of years ago and also have a 5d. I can swap cards between them with no problems.
Does your wife rely on windows to upload the photos all the time or does she use the software package that comes from canon
Digital photo professional.
Its fathers day on sunday,ask her to buy you photoshop.
hope ive been of some help.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:30
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:30
Why buy Photoshop when Gimp Image Editor is free and just as good.
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Reply By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:25
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:25
Hi Norm,
I don't know how good your computer skills are, but you can run a virtual PC inside Vesta and run Xp inside the virtual machine. The software that you use to create and virtual PC is called VirtualBox and again its free. I use Linux and have XP running inside Linux. By running XP inside Linux there are no security issues and I don't have a firewall or virus program in Xp because Linux takes care of it. If you require help in setting up a virtual PC pm me and I'll give you a hand.
You will need at least 1 Gig mem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:36
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:36
I don't want to go there Arthur. My skills are nowhere near good enough.
On a current laptop our son spent a lot of time and eventually removed Vista and replaced it with XP (back in the early days of Vista). Not goinig through that again.
With the power of Microsoft, I see no real option for dummies like us, to workiing with Vista.
As far as I'm concerned it borders on criminal they did not make Vista backwards compatible with XP, so that anything that runs on XP can also run on Vista. Just a way of ripping billions more out of mugs like us, who now find that stuff that worked perfectly
well, no longer works.
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:48
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:48
Hi Norm,
This is the exact reason I have moved away from Windows. I switched the Ubuntu Linux when Vesta came out because I would have had to upgrade my computer to run it. That's when I thought there had to be an alternative to Windows and found Ubuntu and love it, the best of all its free and you can install 24899 different software packages also for free.
Its a great feeling not to be supporting the MS empire.
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Reply By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:30
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:30
I htink in vista there is a picture capture tool, vista my see you 10d as a imagine device or usb card!!!
Either way if you click on it in my computer you should be able to see it there, in xp and vista???
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:38
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:38
When we got the current laptop (with Vista), we could not get the Coanon software to work - Conon site then confirmed why - it is not supported.
We also could not get the camera to talk to the PC via Picture and Fax viewer (or whatever the Windows ap is called). Once we changed back to XP, it worked.
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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:42
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:42
Strongly recommend getting a USB2.0 card reader (probably $20) which will work with all your computers and the cards out of all your cameras.
I have about 10 Canon DSLR cameras of various types and am yet to install the Canon drivers.
This is also *much* faster than connecting the camera.
And to answer your question, whilst I've not tested every possibility, changing cards will probably work, but still be clumsy. That said, I have had one instance where changing a CF card into an OLDER Canon DSLR camera messed up the filesystem. They have changed the folders in which images are stored since the 10D.
Cheers,
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Tim Owen - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:58
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:58
I think I saw one at Aldi the other day for $15
I have a 10D and computers with both XP and Windows. The lappy with Vista is not here with me at the moment, but perhaps over the weekend I could try to upload from the Camera to Vista and see what happens.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:01
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:01
I have Vista, Vista-64 and XP and can assure you it works...
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:42
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:42
Another vote for the card reader although I'm still running XP.
The CF cards are compatible between the 350D and 5D without formatting. Just creates another folder on the card.
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Follow Up By: stevesub - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 22:02
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 22:02
I agree about the card reader. I started out using a card reader years ago, then went to the Canon software and now back to the card reader as the Canon software was a pain. Likewise I do not like iPhoto on mY MAC and use the card reader on the MAC instead.
It is also much quicker and I have also filed my own photos in folders and use either Irfanview or Fastone on the Windows machines for viewing/minor editing of he photos. Both these programs are Freeware and excellent
Stevesub
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 18:49
Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 18:49
Ditto. Vista S_U_X, Canon upload software absolutely S_U_X (other company just S_U_X). Have quite a few cameras and never even know when I have misplaces all USB cables and how their software look alike. Cardreader is definatelly way to go. Plus if one ask me to what camera to upgrade, I would suggest pick system with SD (if no string errr.. glass attached, of course), simply because almost every laptop nowadays has SD card reader.
Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 21:30
Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 21:30
I agree - i have the eos 350 - plus varous other cameras that use CF CD and other cards --- i just use the one USB card reader for all -- does not need any additional software then edit ( if needed ) with Photoshop _ cheap as chips - fast and does not take over your computer like some software does
Boc
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:44
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:44
Hi Norm,
I have an Asus Lappie that had Vista on when I purchased it. I was told take the puter home and have a play with pics and see if you like Vista with pictures. I promptly loaded my photo software such as Acdsee, Lightroom and Photoshop CS2. Then I started playing with my pics and had no end of trouble. Within 2 days I had taken it back and got it downgraded to XP. Vista still has not got it together with pictures yet.
Having said that I have a few programs that came with the camera and have not loaded them as when I transfer images I use the camera as a hard drive.
ie:
I plug the camera in
Open up explorer
Look for the device. (
Mine usually recognises the camera by name)
Minimise the explorer window and make a new folder on the desktop.
now double click on the device and select all pics.
Copy all the pics and then past to the new folder u just created.
U should be able to look at the pics on whichever program u use to view your pics.
This should work on Vista. Otherwise I can not see a prob with using the new camera as the doner to upload the pics.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:50
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 20:50
Norm,
After reading what Andrew just posted it may be an idea to do a test before trying to swap cards. So as to not lose any valuable pics. Andrew is the canon dude..... I prefer Nikon.
Better still as Andrew stated a card reader is a better possibility.
Peter
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:01
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:01
If Vista recognises the camera when it's connected to the USB port, then you don't need any special software.
The camera should appear just like a removable drive and you can use Explorer to transfer photos between the camera and computer.
Apart from this, I would agree with Andrew that a card reader may be an alternative solution.
Bill.
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:04
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:04
Gidday Norm
I've got a Canon 400D and have no problems downloading it with Vista.
Take the camera with you when purchasing the new laptop and test it out.
Regards
Kim
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:07
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:07
Norm
Most laptops have a card reader in them. Just check to see if your camera card will fit the ones on the short list. If the card does not fit any of the computers then you can get a separate card reader that will read most cards.
If you are prepared to accept the slow download of photos via the cameras USB cable you just plug the cable into your machine. The camera card will look like a disk drive to your operating system and you can download the photos with any file explorer. You can even do this with XP.
The photo editing programme supplied with your camera may not work with Vista but there are plenty of free programmes that will. My wife did not like the one that came with her Sonny camera so she is now using Shutterfly but there are plenty of other free ones.
You can set these things up on your present computer and try them before lashing out on a new computer.
PeterD
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:34
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:34
You are dealing with a couple of different issues here and there is a danger of getting them confused. One issue is the uploading of photos to a computer using either Vista or XP. The other issue is swapping a compact flash card between cameras. I am only commenting on the compact flash swap issue. I would strongly recommend against doing this. You are likely to scramble the card, lose any photos on the card and in a worse case scenario (but unlikely) scramble the operating firmware in your camera. It might be possible, but I would only do it if you have advice from Canon that says it is possible between these two cameras and the specific firmware that you have in both cameras.
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Reply By: tazbaz - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:52
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 21:52
Hi Norm
You can avoid such problems if you just go out and get a MAC and stop perservering with Windows
tazbaz
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Follow Up By: stevesub - Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 22:06
Thursday, Sep 04, 2008 at 22:06
Yes and no - I use both Mac' and Windows XP machines and they both have their strengths and weakneses. Which do I prefer, depends on what I am doing.
Stevesub
This post is from my MacBook PRO, very nice machine.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 09:34
Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 09:34
I am using a Mac at this moment - WITH BOOTCAMP - bloody Mac OS nearly drove me insane .
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Reply By: HappyCamper - Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 14:42
Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 14:42
G'day Norm
It doesn't matter if you run XP or Vista or ?? just remove the card from the camera and insert into a card reader and it will be read by the computer as another drive. I have notebooks and don't even worry about a card reader, just insert the card into a PCMCIA adaptor and slot into the slot in either notebook....too easy!!
You can use whatever photo s/ware you have doing it that way.
Not sure your DW will want to used the 10D as a backup as there are quite a few differences between it and the 40D and will be even more when the 50D is released in February.
I've owned several DSLR's and currently have 2 x 30D's for the above reason. Speaking of which, one is for sale, it's been a backup and had little use. Anyone interested?
Hope this helps?
Bronwyn ;-)
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 18:37
Friday, Sep 05, 2008 at 18:37
Thanks for all the info guys. Very helpful.
We will pick up an adapter that lets her use the camera card via a USB port on the laptop and give that a go.
If it works, it will be a very cheap solution.
Norm C
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