Safety in the outback........
Submitted: Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 17:52
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darrell.QLD
Why can anyone in Australia go into
the desert, unprepared and perish???When i take my tinny more than 2 nm offshore i have to have//epirb//radio//flares//life jackets//water//
BUT, anybody can travel anywhere outback ,anytime.......
IMHO, there should fines for people that do this...
Why so much saftey on the
water {rules }and NONE for the outback?????
If there were fines for people going out there unpreperard
it might just save someones life..................................
Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:12
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:12
darrell
Reason being more people perish in
water than sand .
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Follow Up By: darrell.QLD - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:21
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:21
Yeah ,i know doug ,,but it #hits me to tears when u hear some fool going out there without a clue!!!!
Its easy to die in
the desert ,,just like on
water......
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:30
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:30
darrell
Sorry, can't agree with you there, I'll use me for a stupid example, I'm not a good swimmer, probably sink after 20 minutes and that would be the end , on the other hand in
the desert I could walk around, drink some
water, make a coffee, and wait by the vehicle, I could probably get by over 2 days if I'm lucky , in
water I have only 20 minutes if a shark hadn't decided to have me before the 20s up, no sharks in
the desert, I could hunt around and dig little lizards out of those little holes thay make .
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Follow Up By: darrell.QLD - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:33
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:33
point taken..
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:26
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:26
"they" let them do it in the outback since the do gooders stopped them doing it on the ocean.
Otherwise how else do we clean up the gene pool.
now I'll have the Chief POO Bah on my back!
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Follow Up By: darrell.QLD - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:30
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:30
Chief POO Bah????????????? who is this man that u speak of??
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:51
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 18:51
Perhaps the prime freedom is being able to make decisions about one’s own safety and
well being. As an adult I sometimes choose to place myself in situations which put me in risk of injury or death; I don’t have to do these things but I find they make my life more enjoyable and fulfilling.
During the time I was raising my children I often had to prevent them taking dangerous risks, I did this because they lacked the knowledge and maturity to assess those risks for themselves. Today my children are grown men and it is no longer my place to restrict their actions – I may advise, even recommend, they take a course of action but, as adults, it should, indeed must, be _their_ decision. So it should be with governments: they are not our guardians and providing our actions do not place others at risk we should not be censured because some people believe we should be “protected from ourselves” for down that road lies George Orwell’s 1984 nightmare.
And _please_ do not raise the argument of emergency
services putting themselves at risk – they chose to do that job.
Or the cost to the public – otherwise ban skateboarding, cricket, etc due to the costs of injury.
Take a look at the website of this man – he seems to know a bit about how it should be done….
http://www.frankfuredi.com/
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: wallabyjack5 - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:38
Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:38
Sorry Mike will raise the argument about
services putting there lives at risk.
Most of these people are vollies and they do put there lives at risk.Example the SES guy that died at Karijini NP in WA trying to save some other person.
A simple thing like an epirb would not only save lives but a lot of time so those people out looking can get back to there real jobs
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Reply By: Tippa - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 19:10
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 19:10
I agree that there are plenty of people out there who make us look intelligent and we read about them all the time ha ha.
As for "the outback", where does it start? It's not like the ocean where it land changes from solid to liquid....
My father in law who has done a fair few treks around Oz, said he spoke to a fellow traveller who reached the same
campsite as him in the dark of midnight... turns out he helped out a lady on his way, who had decided to drive her newish 4WD from
perth to the Kimberlies on it's original factory standard tyres which had 60,000kms on them... she had 3 blowouts and no spares left. Gender isn't the point, its the muppets who have as much idea about outback travel as those who come to Oz who cant swim, never seen the ocean let alone surf, and jump in so they can sink like a rock....
Maybe there should be some sort of regulation and associated training for people who embark on a tour in remote areas, but man it would be hard to policy let alone regulate, let alone police....
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Follow Up By: Mobi Condo - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 20:24
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 20:24
Aargh! Can see it now, Cotton Wool Country, Nanny State System where we all have to have a key, with a digital tag to open the
gate off the bitumen black top just to explore that distant Mountain Range or pristine
water hole.
To get the key one has to attend a TAFE course in Under
water knitting, Debating OH&S of off sealed road travel whilst mouth is full of marbles, have a $Squillion worth of GPS, EPIRBS and then roll a line of string behind us so we can follow it back if we get lost and then pay $1million deposit in case we trip and scratch our finger and have to be air lifted (rescue costs comes out of deposit) to the city to have a band aid placed over the scratch!
Ooh! Yech!
Cheers - Mobi :-) :-)
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 20:37
Monday, Sep 08, 2008 at 20:37
Why do I have to spend my hard earned money on equipment that I will never use.....someone else will come along and help me anyway.
It would never happen to me.
I've got a mobile phone so I'll be OK.
I'm only going to be 300 kilometers form the nearest town.
Just some of the excuses people use.
So how much is a human life worth....according to some .....not very much.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:43
Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:43
On our recent travels heard a good point on the radio.
Why do we have helmets for bike riding?
Because some one discovered it is dangerous, and the skull sometimes takes a knock it can't handle.
Now, think about sky diving. Why wear a helmet sky diving? If the
chute doesn't open, is that helmet going to save you? No way. More likely you will hit the ground before the helmet, so the helmet is protected by the nice soft body under it.
So human being do crazy things, and invent a helmet to protect the head to stop injury.
So will some one wake up and say why do we do these dangerous things, so dangerous we need to wear a helmet?
No of course not, we invent better helmets, and more protective clothing.
A boat or 4wd is just an aid to protect us in a harsh environment. Some people don't know how to use them properly and take a bigger risk. But it always a risk, whatever we do.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 23:03
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 23:03
I reckon the helmet in skydiving would be so you don't suffer a brain injury when you bash your head on the door-frame while jumping out of a perfectly functional aircraft at 10,000ft.
Though thinking about it, a person must already be pretty brain dead to be jumping out of a perfectly functional aircraft at 10,000 ft anyway!!!
What some people do for a thrill.....
Muddy
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 10:12
Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 10:12
I'm gunna use the harsh word here because all gets down to "Intelligence" . Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't read about Intelligent people dieing in
the desert.? Everytime I hear about one of these tragedies and you look into it it started with a vehicle that never should have left the suburbs let alone
the desert. Then it just spirals from there, no
water, no communications, no anything.?
So they take off with the thought process that is "she'll be right"", we'll drive the old girl from here to there and thats that.!
But as someone else said before it's the ultimate freedom, you can make your own choices.
I think a compulsory hired emergency epirb or something should be mandatory like it is for the
Sydney to
Hobart competitors etc.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:54
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:54
For the same reason that to operate an
HF radio on a boat you have to pass an exam, but to get an Outpost Radio Licence you need no exam.
It's because farmers are represented by the National Party who didn't want farmers to be "disadvantaged" - but
boaties have no political representation or clout. A few years ago you even had to pass an exam to use a Marine VHF radio.
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Reply By: neil&brenda - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 23:28
Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 23:28
Darrell, It wouldn't matter what scenario you proposed. There will always be "the tourist" or the "first timer"etc. No matter what safety procedures are recommended, or made compulsory. There will ALWAYS be the idiot that gets caught out. Not comforting, but a fact of life as we know it!
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