EploreOZ security warning

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I get this security warning we trying to load the ExploreOZ web page using the Opera web browserImage Could Not Be Found
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 21:44

Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 21:44
Somehow I don't think the EO site is actually encrypted so your browser is giving you false messages.

No problems with IE7 works just fine.
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:01

Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:01
Yes Firefox doesn't give the message either but that does not mean its secure when the warning from Opera is quite clear.
We all sell and buy items off ExploreOZ and we have passwords on the site. From the message I got from Opera it is clear that the web site may need an upgrade.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:49

Tuesday, Sep 09, 2008 at 22:49
Arthur,

It's probably your alternative lifestyle that is playing up.

You may like to bugger about with another Operating System but don't sprout on that it has to be the Microsoft product that is at fault.

It suits most of us admirably and we don't perceive a problem.

Go peddle your views to someone who cares.

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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:58

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:58
Well you are wrong, as this fault was produced using Xp in a virtual pc.
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:57

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:57
Hi Sand Man,
Reading our post I realize you are having difficulty differentiating between a Browser and an Operating system , so to help you follow the the links this may save you the embarrassment next time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:31

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 20:31
Not embarrassed at all Arthur.

I am well aware of what is an Operating System and what is a browser and who is a D*ckhead.
I have made a pretty fair living out of the IT Industry.


Some facts I just conjured up.
98% of the EO population uses MS Windows.
1.99% use Apple Mac.
0.01% (you) waffle on about Ubuntu. WOW!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:27

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 21:27
Yes and 98% of the security issues are Windows related so I'll stick with Linux
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:50

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 22:50
Arthur,

This is my last communication with you on this issue.

You sprout on about Linux being superior to Windows, yet you are running XP in a virtual PC. Won't Linux get it up for you on its own?

Go figure folks!
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 17:25

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 17:25
Hi Sand Man,
First of I would like to thank you for your first post as this has enabled us to get the message out there that there is a very good alternative to the M$ operating system and its FREE, plus 24899 software packages which you can install and you guessed they are also FREE. Now if you have Windows software that you would like run inside Linux then there two ways to do this.
1. I use VirtualBox also FREE and this sets up a virtual PC allowing you to install many operating systems without actually affecting your existing system as everything in the Virtual PC is just a file. That means your virtual hard drive is a file so that you can take a snap shot of the drive which allows you to revert back to the original drive and this would only take a few seconds as it is only a file that has to be copied. Because I run the virtual PC under Linux which is far more secure than Windows, I don't use a firewall or any anti virus software. I have turned the firewall off in windows and ran ShieldsUp which scanned 1000 ports and all were stealth.
2. Wine is a Windows emulator program that runs in Linux which allows you to run Windows programs within Linux.
Linux has the ability so read and write to NTFS drives and often used to rescue data from a crashed Windows system.
This is a quote from the M$ new Boss:
Speaking at a conference in New York on Wednesday, Microsoft’s chief architect, Ray Ozzie, said open source is a bigger threat to the software juggernaut than Google is. He says open source developers are not restricted by the best interests of shareholders and potentially are, therefore, a stronger market force.
In closing I would like to thank Sand Man again for bringing up the subject about an alternative to M$ as someone might benefit from the discussion. If there is anyone that would require further information on Linux just PM me and I'll be happy to help.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 17:32

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 17:32
Umm, I don't want to get into any bleep fite about computer operating systems etc...

BUT why not start a new thread about this very subject :-))

yes, I know it's not related to 4wd or camping but there are other things in life as can be very clearly seen by looking at this thread.

I am interested in 'looking and learning' more about them.
I now use Firefox for my email and find it amazing compared to ms internet explorer

Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 18:31

Thursday, Sep 11, 2008 at 18:31
Hi Mainey,
If you require more information just PM me and I'll gladly help you. I feel it might become to political in this forum and there are plenty forms out there that you can access if you require more information.
I have only been using Linux for two years after wanting to upgrade to Vista and found out I would need a new computer so that visa would work.
I use Ubuntu which you can download from here.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
You then burn it to a cd as an ISO image. When you boot from cd you can actually run the the operating system from the cd or what Linux refer to a a live cd and it not installed on your system but running from the cd it is obviously a bit slow but every works and its a good way to have a look.
Another way to get a cd is from a newsagent from a PC mag. PC User quite often have a disk with Linux on it.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 00:52

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 00:52
Arthur,

I have seen this with Opera - what a great message that is. The pages you are viewing are not even SSL encrypted and Opera is telling you that 128bit encryption is not good enough!

If you read the Details page you will see a valid and perfectly secure 128bit SSL encryption certificate - why is it even showing on a non encrypted page!

I will have a play with this tomorrow but I think the play will end up in a bug report to Opera as there is no issue at all with the site or the certificate that we do use on encrypted pages.

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Follow Up By: SCUBADOO - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 05:39

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 05:39
David

I used to receive this popup when first opening pages here using earlier versions.
My lastest Opera version - 9.60.10421 beta appears to have solved any issues.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:31

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:31
David, I had IE do the same with EO this week. Looks like I should get the latest Opera beta though for it is my browser of preference.
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Reply By: eleusis - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:00

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:00
This warning pops up when the browser tries to load some of the images over SSL (even when the page itself isn't encrypted):

- https://www.exploroz.com/Images/Site/Web_Logo_Watermark_130.gif?1
- https://www.exploroz.com/images/Site/Tab_Background.gif?1
- https://www.exploroz.com/Images/Site/li.gif
- https://www.exploroz.com/images/Site/Blue_bggrad_100.jpg
- https://www.exploroz.com/Images/Site/Weather_Watermark.jpg

To get rid of it, you can click on the Security tab of the dialog box, check the 'Remember my choice for this certificate' box, and click on the Approve button.

For more info, see:
- Warning that a site is using an outdated encryption method (http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/798/)
- Understanding encryption levels (http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/593/)
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:20

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:20
Hi Eleusis,
Thanks for the info, I'm still new to Opera but I'm impressed with it so far.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:19

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 08:19
the kids comp is always getting those sort of messages....a run with AVG antispyware and spysweeper usually gets rid of them, (or at least they had till just monday night)....its a trojan that they have downloaded ....

have just spent most of monday evening and most of yesterday trying to get rid of a message that was saying (Microsoft Explorer I think it was,... it was suposedly a Microsoft programme anyway) which was telling them that a trojan has been detected and to download new up to date definitions...when accessing the net it was taking them to "Rogue AntiVirus" web site which prompts you to download the software... (this also happens with a trojan which takes you to Win Antivirus) and once they did this do this all hell broke loose........wasnt me DAD!......&%#$%*& &&^%$ EM (that means "GodBLess EM"..hahaha)

after fart-arsing around for as long as i did and recalled that Spysweeper was finding the trojan and called it "Winlogon", I hopped on the office computer went to Major Geeks (also use Bleeping Computers site somtimes) did a search for such and followed the instructions...Major Geeks said was that the first thing to do was to download various stuff and run....the very 1st thing they recommended to use and try was SuperAntispyware (this in itself sounds VERY SUSS doesnt it) but as i have always had good outcomes from the info they have given i downloaded the trial version and hey presto problemo solvered after approx 1 hour, and with 17 trojans, 23 registry entries, 50 something infected files deleted...all this after running the normal stuff beforehand

it is now a paid for software programme on the kids comp and soon to be on mine as well.

one thing i noted was that the programme didnt appear to need to be run in safe mode, it deleted all that stuff after booting up normally and advised that trojan/s was/were running and needed to shut them down before it could delete. I ran Sperspyware afterwards and after starting in SafeMode and it didnt find anything..... AVG and Spysweeper although good always found extra stuff only after starting up in safe mode (and both definitions are up to date)

Incidently thay do not recommend AVG anymore as its a antivirus and antispware all in one now and is susposed to be resource hungry..meaning it slows down your computer.

Super Antispyware has made the comp faster than i can remember meaning that it doesnt seem to be very resource hungry

If that hadnt work Major Geeks gave further instructions on what to do with some other downloads etc etc but stress that you must not miss an instruction if the problem persists . WORKED FOR ME

I use vet(CA) for Virus scanning which is good for Virus's but not so for trojans
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Follow Up By: Mainey (wa) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:54

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:54
Downloaded SuperAntiVirus Pro and let it do it's job, took 45.28 mins and only found 83 "Adware tracking cookies" so have to give full credit to McAfee for the lack of Memory and Registry bugs residing with-in the Dell.
As tracking cookies in themselves are not harmful I'm not worried.

Mainey . . .

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:47

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 16:47
i guess you dont have kids......
i'm not worried about tracking cookings either...and not all that worried about the kids comp...but
as they use mine when i am not around ..it scares the ........out of me
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 17:23

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 17:23
If you set up login password that will stop the kids getting into your computer.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:14

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:14
1. I might also forget the password
2. look up microsoft support pages for "how to" get around starting computer with out a pass word...
3.the kids know all this....both points!

it doesnt work...been there done that...kids are smater than us non-IT experts when it comes to computers

linux might be different with passwords but I use XP..most of my requirements for work purposes wont run on linux i believe.... Quickbooks and Cad and of course microsoft office
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:17

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 18:17
and anyway...what you say below is definitely sci-fi stuff to to me
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:15

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 19:15
And the best part of all is that the software(except Windows XP) is all FREE!!
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:55

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:55
Have windows XP.....lots of grief with windows IE for quite some time now particularly with accessing exploroz....Have now changed to MOZILLA FIREFOX and now use BITDEFENDER.....and it is all running smooth so far.....touch wood.
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:19

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:19
I have Windows XP running inside Linux as a virtual PC. This way Windows is not so vulnerable because Linux is looking after the security side of things. I ran ShieldsUp which scanned 1000 ports and all were stealth with the firewall turned off in XP. The hard drive in the virtual PC is only a file so a snap shot of the file can be taken and if something happens to the Windows system you just restore the file. Most of the new processors now days have the visualization instruction set build into the chip, this has improved the speed during visualization tremendously.Image Could Not Be Found
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:33

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:33
Arthur,

I have adjusted the style sheet code to stop the download of https elements when not running in SSL mode. There is still the warning when you use the shop, activities ordering system or membership details updates however you can rest assured that the transmissions of data in these areas is secured with well and truely enough security for the transfer however I will request that the certificates be updated (I pay for them so I should expect that this can be easily done).

Thanks and enjoy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Arthur V (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:59

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 at 13:59
Thanks for that David I really think the site is fantastic and I'm enjoying the benefits of been a member.
Regards,
Arthur
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:22

Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:22
Arthur,

To complete this issue I have now had installed a new SSL certificate that uses a longer public key and this has removed the message from Opera. I do have to say however that the message from Opera is a little miss-leading for the general public and should be toned down a little anyway we have made some adjustments to get rid of it and all is good.

Have a good one.
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:53

Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:53
Thank you David
Regards,
Arthur
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