roof racks for bikes? or what?

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 21:21
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Hi all, Wonder if anyone out there has tried traveling with a couple of push bikes and if so how these were transported? We are about to purchase a 2003/2004 maybe duel fuel ford falcon wagon to tow our camper trailer, a goldstream wing 1. Problem is can't figure out whether to buy a bike rack sitting on the spare wheel-heard this can rattle the bike to bits-or a roof rack where the bikes are upright.
Any ideas or better still, experience, would be most welcome. The roof rack looks daunting-how do you get them up there, is it secure? And the spare tyre bike rack is expensive- over $400-and then we still can't head off with the bikes with just the car!
Must be a way. Thanks in advance.
Nicki
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:03

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:03
Our Cub camper has an integral roof rack and I made my own bike racks to fit the roof bars.
8mm threaded rod to hold the front forks with the wheel removed and a C section to locate the back wheel. Then a ratchet strap up and over to hold it all down. We took three bikes from Sydney, Port Augusta, up to Dalhousie, then across the desert and back home with zero problems apart from heaps of dust on them. Tied a plastic bag over the seats to keep them clean and dry. They all needed the chain cleaning when we got home but all travelled ok.
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Follow Up By: nicki- Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 17:00

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 17:00
Thanks for the suggestion. Neither of us are so handy with making stuff, alas!
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Reply By: disco driver - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:04

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:04
Nicki,
Most of the triathletes and serious bike riders seem to have their bikes up top. Mind you, their bikes are usually ultralites and seriously expensive bits of gear secured in seriously expensive purpose built bike racks.

The biggest problem with bikes up top is that it's easy to forget they are there and they don't fit under roller doors on your garage, the rack secures them well and they just disintegrate into a pile of expensive tubing. I've seen grown men cry after doing this.

IMHO most average bikes, properly secured, will be OK on the back of the van. Again there are bike racks and BIKE RACKS, some are better than others.

Cheers

Disco.
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Follow Up By: nicki- Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 17:01

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 17:01
Any hints about what would be a better one??
Thanks heaps!
Nicki
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 18:49

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 18:49
Nicki,
It is difficult to describe what is a better one.

If you spend some time looking at any vehicles with a bike or two on a rack you should be able to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Look for good supporting frames, goodlooking welds (and before anyone comments, a good looking weld is usually a pretty good weld as well).
If you can find one that actually has a frame piece, usually U tubing, supporting the wheels and another frame piece locating and securing the top bar of the bike it is generally a reasonable design for the back of the Van.

Ideally your bikes will be secured to the carrier frame in at least two places, preferably three and should be quite safe and secure at that.
If you venture onto gravel they will be covered in dust, there's nothing you can do about that. Take a small spraycan of CRC, WD40 or similar to oil the chainbefore use and some rag to wipe the saddle and bike frame.

Hope this helps!

Disco.
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Reply By: dionbremner - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:20

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:20
We've tried a couple of different options and nothing completely successful. On one trailer I built a rack on top of the trailer. But I'm just in the process of building another trailer and I'm going to mount them on the drawbar for ease of getting them on an off. Not sure whether that is an option for you.
Cheers
Dion
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Reply By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:22

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:22
Tried and varied many ways. I have mounted them on the roof rack and this works well but a bit tedious getting them on and off. I have a full rack but use a roof bar that has front fork attachments on this so have to remove the front wheels but they are very secure. As mentioned they ride a bit high so have to watch out for lowish branches etc.
Once I mounted them on the back of a caravan but one time I stopped walked around the back and one had been touching the road at times. The bracket had moved and as it was a pop top I could not see it. So I canned that idea.
Next and sometimes now I fit them on a bike rack on the front of the van. I can see them, and they ride well there. It restricts me with access to the big door on the Patrol and as the Van now is an expanda, I have to take the bikes off to set up the front bed. However the rack is a fold down type so I dont have to remove it but I can once at the destination and put it on the Nissan if that makes sense.
Each of my systems worked and the best was the front draw bar one. The roof rack one is also good but then I have to sore 3 front wheels and assemble the bikes but that probably takes no longer than removing the bikes from the rack etc.
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Follow Up By: nicki- Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:55

Thursday, Sep 18, 2008 at 22:55
As usual, I'm impressed and grateful for the answers so promptly supplied from different folks experience. We're interested in the draw bar option but were advised by the camper trailer dealer that this would limit turning etc and the bikes would get damaged. Obviously not what some folk have found. Is there a commercial draw bar rack-or is it a case of specially made one-offs?

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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 06:14

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 06:14
I made mine and it worked well. I only made the part that went between the A section of the drawbar and then bolted the bike rack to that. On the expanda, I set it up so the first bike was as far back as possible and didn't have any drama with full lock turns. I would have with a jack-knife like situation when backing but never get into that position. I could open the big back door of the nissan when straight but it was better if I skewed the vehicle a bit. I carry three bikes but now have to modify the set up as one of the bikes keeps getting bigger every year or so and it'll now be hung up by the gas bottles. I'm actually going to reposition those and then it'll be good again. A lot of people looked at it and said thats what they need. I actually made mine up out of some scrap 90x90 and some flat and used Hi Tensile bolts I had in the shed. Kind of made it as a prototype but it worked and didn't worry about refining it too much.
The draw bar system works well and especially if the draw bar is longer than the usual type trailer set up. If the spare is mounted on the drawbar and upright you may have problems and may have to reposition it.
They are simple to make.
Good Luck
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 00:05

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 00:05
I've carried bikes all over Oz in many different ways. About to travel Tassie again. My bike has quick release wheels and just sits ockie-strapped to the spare wheels.

My advise though is to set up the bikes on your roofrack. If you only have to lift them onto a Falcon, you shoudn't have any probs. Used bike racks are easy to resell.

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Follow Up By: nicki- Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 16:58

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 16:58
Thanks for info-tell me though-how do you get the bikes up onto the roof rack? It looks an impossible, well very difficult task. Can one person do it? I'm a reasonably strong female but it looks challenging! The other option we are considering is the draw bar location.
How did you find the Tassie trip? Its the second on our agenda before we do the Big Trip-not for some time. A friend said the hills were tough for pulling a camper. We are going with a camper trailer, goldstream variety, towing with a Ford Falcon wagon (still to be purchased!)
Thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 19:46

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 19:46
You say that you will have a Falcon... so not a high roof.
My daughter carries her bike on the roof of her RAV4 which would be higher without problems.

I guess if your bike is a heavy bike, you might have a struggle, but it's more a matter of balance.

Usually you remove the front wheel and the forks sit into a bracket and then you strap the back wheel into place.

To lift it, you squat and grasp the bike frame in two spots low down. Stand and with a small lift you can place the bike into position. Give it a try. See if you can lift your bike up in front of you.

Cheers Royce
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 19:49

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 19:49
Ah.. and Tassie. Not sure what you mean by 'how did you find it'.... easy... just across Bass Strait! [Joking] It's lovely.

I'm heading off on Sunday for my 26th tour.

A Ford Falcon should barely feel any hill with a camper trailer. That's what big cars are all about! Tassie has no bigger hills than Victoria or NSW...
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Follow Up By: Member - Madfisher - Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 21:37

Friday, Sep 19, 2008 at 21:37
2003/4 Faqlcons have arround 180kw on tap,(heaps of power) so a camper will not worry it.
My wife carries her bikes on a rack that fits on to the towbar. As she has a Paj the roof option was to high. I know this is not much help when towing.
Have a great trip.
Cheers Pete
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