Vehicles catching on Fire.
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:01
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Member - Axle
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Just lateley its been
well publicised that Jeep have a issue somewhere in regards to catching on fire. Over the years there has been a few makes and models that have had similiar probs.
The VW Beetle & Kombi where Notorious for catching on fire!!
If the carby developed a ecessive leak then the little catch tray underneath would not cope and fuel would pour straight on to the exhaust system, POOF!!. The battery box under the back
seat in the beetles had a tin cover &there was only a frag clearance to the terminals !!,a bit of acid build up and instant fire.
XE falcons had a short rubber fuel line joined to the steel fuel pipe at the carby end ,to allow for flex, but hidden under the air cleaner when it perished it was not a visual thing, resulting with many of them spraying fuel over a hot motor. Landrover Discos have been known to catch fire ,wiring issues.
Subaru use stupid spring loaded clips on their fuel lines, when they loose tension fuel can be sprayed all over the alternator.
( Had that happen on my own)
To my knowledge none of the above mentioned
vehicleshad a recall for fire related safety issues.
Not sticking up for Jeep i hate the things!, But as i say over the years there has been plenty out there with the same issues.
Cheers Axle.
Reply By: Member - Redvintage (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:09
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:09
lets keeping this on the subject here, we are talking about TODAY, lets not bring up what happend over the last 50 years, its happening now, and I think the ppl have to know whats going on.
regards
Redvintage
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:23
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:23
The point i'm making is the problem has always been out there!.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:06
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:06
You're dead right Axle and the problem exists for the best cars in the world.
If you have a look on U Tube you'll find Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porches burning on the sides of freeways in recent times. Problem is people who don't like a certain brand will make a big issue of it.
But they are very quiet when it happens to their favourite make.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:15
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:15
" THANK YOU ROSCOE "!!!.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Alan H - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:44
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:44
Bit irrational isn't it Axle to say you're "not sticking up for Jeep, I hate the things"!
Why bother making a comment like that? It detracts from your posting which points out that all vehicles have problems and to be aware that these things can happen..... and you'd better carry an extinguisher as it may happen to any one of them, even your favourite bullet proof Tojos or Nisscan!
Alan.
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Reply By: new boy - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:14
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 17:14
Early September between
Coral Bay and
Exmouth a NSW couple just had time to unhook their van before their 6 month old Land Drover Discovery went up in smoke .
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 18:22
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 18:22
Another late model vehicle, goes up in smoke!, Thats what i'm on about, Heaps of the same model sold without a drama., BUT fire issues can happen with any brand, model, or anything else.
Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:25
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:25
A friend of
mine, a Real Estate in the Highlands, was standing next to his brand new, two week old 100 series diesel Landcruiser, talking to a friend when it suddenly caught on fire and burnt to the ground. this is going back about 4 years ago.. It can even happen to a Toyota!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:47
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:47
Hi Mike, No doubt what you say is true!.
But..but....but.... but.. TOYO!!.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 20:01
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 20:01
Gday Axle, True, I believe the Landcruiser was parked in the main street of Mittagong. Insurance company replaced it after about a month. I bet the insurance company wrote Toyota nice letter and made claim on the NEW car warranty!!! Michael
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Reply By: Member - Glenn G (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:29
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:29
As a fulltime Fireman for 19 years ,all types of cars burn ! Price tag does not give exemption !
Cheers
Giffo
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Reply By: Farko - Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 23:56
Tuesday, Sep 23, 2008 at 23:56
Info at work has 47 fire related product recalls for motor vehicles. 6 in the last 12 months
Lots of makes from Bentley to Kia. 3 for Jeep over 6 years.
http://www.recalls.gov.au/ has a search facility to look up your
wheels and what can go wrong.
cheers
Bruce
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Reply By: wrexed03 - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 00:17
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 00:17
Bottom line pretty much any car or 4wd can catch on fire. All the later stuff have cat converters under them. These get really hot. In turn if your off road in a dry paddock or bush you can easily ignite the weeds or whatever is underneath and then your vehicle will go up with it. Something to think about and consider next time your off road. Exhausts and mufflers fall into the same category..
Regards
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Reply By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 06:56
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 06:56
I wonder where Bryan
Seymour from Today Tonight was or if he knows about these ones. He was pretty quick to give Jeep a flogging.
This is what I don't like about these programs, trial by media and generally an unbalanced report from only one side.
Why didn't he broaden his investigation and ascertain whether burning vehicles was an issue for other brands. I guess that would have knocked the wind out of his sails with respect to targeting Jeep.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:50
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:50
Hi Axle
I don't agree with the line of logic developing in this thread ,
which is that because you can find an example of xyz issue in most makes then they are all equally bad.
This sort of logic has plagued resolution of many issues over the years and cost many there lives.
Its summed up by such lines as
"Fred X lived to 100 smoking therefore smoking it safe"
Nonsense, we have to be smarter than that !
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 13:46
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 13:46
Robin,
The way I see it is that Axle has taken issue with a situation where Jeep have copped some bad press due to some of there vehicles catching fire for whatever reason.
What he is simply saying is that "hang on there have been similar issues with other makes' which needs to be recognised.
I own a Jeep because that's my choice of vehicle, I've owned Nissans and I've owned Toyotas but I prefer my Jeep over them.
Notwithstanding this if an issue was made by the media about a Toyota catching fire and it was negatively reported in a clearly bias manner which could only be construed as nothing more than a mischievous attempt to convey a message to stay clear of this brand because some have caught on fire, I would have the same view as I hold now.
Axle has indicated that he doesn't like Jeeps BUT he has in an un-bias manner, pointed out that other brands have had similar issues.
So Robin, with the greatest of respect, I can't see how your smoking analogy relates to what has been said on this thread or that the logic you say is developing is the case.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:18
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:18
Hi Roscoe
I watched that report to and they showed I think 4 seperate jeeps on fire.
To uphold the line of logic that its the same in all cars you would have to be able to show some 40 patrols or 80 cruisers on fire based on the relative sales figures.
This then is where the logic fails.
As you might find the odd patrol fired, but know where in the same ratio.
We all know that the news likes to put a spin on things - but to be fair, coming up with multiple jeeps in flames wasn't a bad effort, and I'd like to have some answers if I owned one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:05
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:05
I didn't get the impression that the discussion was heading in the direction of the logic you are suggesting and I don't think anyone was heading down that track.
I don't think that by comparing sales of the different makes to come up with a comparative value to reach an indicator to determine that this make needs to have 80 fires to make it as bad as jeep is a logical way of thinking is it?
One fire is too many isn't it?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 18:20
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 18:20
Hi Roscoe
"One fire is too many isn't it? "
Thats not a helpful statement as no responsible person wants any fires.
Emotive lines like that are just what you are suggesting the TV reporters did , which is distracting us from trying to sort out which, if any, cars are more likely to catch fire and then concentrating our efforts where they will be most effective.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 18:58
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 18:58
Hi Robin, Not sure what your or more to the polnt how you are reading this. But its just the truth, there are thousands of vehicles sold with potental fire hazards, some never have the issue, others of the same model, brand, exactley the same vehicle have the dramas .I have a Relo that has a nissan patrol, Gu, The wiring harness caught fire behind the dash, He ripped the battery lead off just in time!, No body probably has ever heard of that with a gu, but it happened. Bmw have had probs, I could go on all night, But you are wrong just to target Jeep as your attitude implies.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 19:42
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 19:42
Hi Axle
If you re-read my replies you may note that I don't refer at all to that type of vehicle, as any and all can have a random fault.
But only by gathering meaningful verifiable data can we start to sort out the issues and focus on the main game and decide wether or not this vehicle has a fundamental issue.
If the case of these TV reports the presenter came up with - and its important to note - at least 4 lots of home video footage on a low volumne selling car.
Have you ever seen 4 lots of home video footage of Patrols not in accidents , burning to the ground, despite the fact there are so many more of them out there ?
This sort of distraction is why it is so hard to finally prove that smoking is harmful, cancer clusters exist, Nissan 3 lt engines blow up or that 4wds roll easily and so many people suffer, and cures are delayed until the facts are slowly extracted out of a seething mass of irrelevant detail.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 07:10
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 07:10
Robin,
That's what I'm saying, one fire is too many we don't want any.
You're starting to twist things around to suit your own debate and getting away from the whole point of what Axle started.
Comparing sales of other makes to the sales of Jeep doesn't change that point.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 09:12
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 09:12
Hi Roscoe
Ok , I'll stay with where I started - while one fire is to many , 10 fires is worse.
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Reply By: Frostickle - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 21:15
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 21:15
Hello, I am the one that had to rescue my two children and sister out of the burning Jeep. We litterally had no time to spare and thought we were going to blow up and burn in the car. Maybe this happens to lots of other cars but the speed that the Jeep was engulfed with flames was unbelieveable. If we had have been 30 seconds slower we would have been majorly damaged or killed. This should not have happened to a car that had not even done 1000 kilometers. If this is a common problem for 4WDs then something serious should be done to rectify this problem. Why would a brand new Jeep burn with in 60 seconds? Why has nothing been done about this? Why would it all of a sudden lose power with no reason at all and then combust???? There was no debre on
the beach and the sand was not that soft to drive through. Why would the Jeep have no troubles driving in the soft sand then all of a sudden just combust like this? Hopefully out of all this some further investigation will go on as to why why why this is happening. I would hate another family to be trapped and not be so lucky to get out......
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 22:39
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 22:39
Damn lucky escape,
well done.
Sounds like the high pressure fuel supply line ruptured or seperated from the rail up the front end or near the exhaust. Hence the sudden lack of power, the fuel pumps in the
tank only usually have a high pressure cutout, no low pressure, so when it ruptures it just sprays fuel everywhere flat out and will continue being a flame thrower until it loses electrical power.
Most new cars use these pathetic plastic quick connectors on the fuel lines, along with a plastic fuel line, I personally dont trust them one bit.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:29
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:29
Frostickle,
You and your family were certainly very lucky to escape,
well done.
I'm curious as to what Jeep are doing for you and do they have an explanation as to what could have caused this to occur?
I tend to agree with Bradley what he is saying makes sense.
Was the vehicle petrol or diesel?
PM me if you are uncomfortable discussing this via the
Forum
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Follow Up By: Frostickle - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:11
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:11
Hey Roscoe,
Our Jeep was Petrol and an automatic which I believe says something. If you research this vehicle it only seems to have happened in the Petrol autos....So far nothing, and no to answer your questions....
What Bradley says definately makes sence and totally explains why it combusted so fast. It was like a flame thrower was under the car at the time.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:54
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:54
Thanks Frosticle, I thought it was probably petrol from the pic of the flames.
I sincerely hope you get some satisfaction from Jeep Australia and that they fix this problem so it doesn't happen to other vehicles.
Once again glad you guys got out without injury but I guess the trauma of it all will be with you for some time.
I wouldn't mind knowing how you get on in due course.
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Follow Up By: Frostickle - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 14:28
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 14:28
Sure, I will keep posting on our progress with this. Thanks....
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 16:30
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 16:30
Wouldn't have happened to be the remains of your Jeep that was sitting on
Stockton Beach for months would it?
A week or two back a Subaru Forrester, at least I think it was once a Forrester went up in flames on the F3 just a tad north of
Sydney.
They where towing a boat that was seriously the trailer version of the Queen Mary!
What a lot of people don't realise when they start loading automatic's to this extent is the amount of heat generated in the transmission.
Eventually the fluid boils, the transmission vomits fluid as foam onto a hot exhaust and whoomp!
As a curiosity question, would your Jeep happen to have still had the road pressures in the tyres whilst wandering along the sand?
Regards,
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 20:05
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 20:05
Hi Jeff!, Your dead right in what your saying in regard to the overheat in autos. Makes you wonder how many people just leave the thing in drive and have the torque converter working its arse off ...lol.
Cheers Axle.
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