70 Series

Submitted: Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:22
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Having a look at 70 series. Interested to know any problems that have been encountered since release.
A friend told me that he was told (I know...hearsay) that there are a number of them out of commission due to bad fuel causing problems.
I've read comments on the low mounting of the alternator but not whether this has caused any problems.
I'm considering a tray back for 4wding and farm use.
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:07

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:07
I would suggest that "Bad Fuel" would possibly cause issues with any vehicle including a petrol powered one.

So far from the postings on here (you can use the search function to go back over the archives to have a read) they have had no problems at all.
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:40

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:40
The suggestion was that they are more sensitive than most. I have read most of the threads relating to the 70 Series. I haven't read anything about this problem before, hence the question. There were some threads complaining about top gear being too high for the rev range for our speed limits (maybe the 200's). I've also read the reports on excessive oil consumption when new.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:03

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:03
From what I can see they run the same duel fuel filters as the preceding 6 cylinder series vehicles and they suffered no discernible fuel related issues.

The top gear issues was the result of a press article written sometime back and concerned the auto in the 200 series, (Nothing to do with the 70 series) I think it has also been well and truly debunked by users on here as a non issue.

The oil use issue is pointed out in the Toyota manual as a normal course of running in the vehicle.
Its also reported on here with some reporting anything up to a couple of litres used in the first 10,000 km's before its stops.
Thought to be a bedding in issue with the new motor??

Whats in the archives is whats been reported or discussed to date.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:22

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:22
The V8 has had some owners complain about oil consumption of up to 2 litres in the first 10,000km, but it reduces with time. The injection pump has been replaced on some because the motor can cut out. Both problems that Toyota seem to have sorted or are getting sorted.

I've tossed up about going the V8 too, as I could just unbolt my setup and put it on the new vehicle. But I just baulk at the cost. The HDJ79 that preceeded it is a proven problem-free vehicle, so most likely I'll hang on to it.

I don't understand why you can get a BT50 for half the money - advertised today for $26,990 incl tray for a 3litre CRD 4wd single cabchassis incl aircond and twin airbags, and can tow 3 ton!
Half the Price of the LandCruiser!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:34

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:34
I currently have a Hilux. I want a vehicle with live axle (no IFS), better towing, large tray (may get slide on camper later). I like Toyotas.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:42

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:42
I agree with you on all counts which is why I won't get anything else either! My point about the BT50 was that its a similar vehicle at half the price - tells me that supply/demand is the only determinant of price of these things.

The factory diff lock option on the 79series is worth considering too.
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:25

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:25
I would get the diff locks if I get one. I was considering the new Hilux. Performs better than mine, but it needs too many extras. Suspension lift, snorkel, bigger fuel tank. These don't need altering/adding on the 70 series Cruiser. I would add a few things like bullbar, towbar, UHF, compressor, dual battery. Does the Cruiser have manual locking hubs, or can you fit them?
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:05

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:05
If I could jump as high as they do in the TOYOTA commercials I would. We have clocked up 30,000 kms and could not be happier.
Just returned from Simpson, Hay river, to Alice and back across the Simpson, Warburton crossing then to Innaminca via Walker's crossing. 16.2 lhk towing a camper. Yes we used 2lts of engine oil in the first 12,000 k. but that has now returned to normal. Bought firestone airbags to keep the ride height above the helper springs and have just fitted Koni shocks and it rides better than my old 80 series.
Michelin LTX AT2 265x75 16 tyres. Hope this helps. Have been through some deep puddles alt is ok. Its the mud that kills them. And oil changes are a breeze with the position of the filter.
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:31

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:31
Thanks Pinko. Does the 70 have manual locking front wheel hubs?
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Follow Up By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 15:32

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 15:32
Hi Twinkles
Certainly has manual hub locks
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Reply By: Skippype - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:24

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:24
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I have one of the new 70 series. Mine is a tray top GX and is now just over 12 months old. I have covered 28,000km in it. 90% of that has been up in the Cooper basin off road so it is getting it pretty hard. When I had my first service (ARB Bendigo) they advised me to take it back to Toyota as there were some weird noises in the engine when it was cold. I had thought that it was just a diesel rattle but they said it was more than that. I took it to Toyota and after much back and forth they admitted that there was a problem that they could not identify but that after the commuter results were analised by head office they would fix it. To cut a long story short I did never find out what the problem was but I do know that it was fuel related. They "fixed" the cold start-up noise and asked me where my fuel was coming from as they had to change the fuel filter (6,000km) and that was unheard of. I have change fuel suppliers and have had no further problems. It does not and has never used any extra oil. I would not hesitate to get a new one as it is the only vehicle hat I have had up here (I've had a few) that just seems to love the harsh conditions and just keeps on keeping on. I must admit that I have now installed air bags in the rear a DP chip, cruise control a 3" exhaust (much better fuel consumption now 14lt/100km) and 50mm spacers behind the back wheels. Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:30

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:30
Thanks Skip, very helpful. What are the 50mm spacers behind the back wheels about?
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Follow Up By: Skippype - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:26

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:26
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Because of the new V8 engine they have had to widen the front track by 50mm each side. the rear end is exactly the same as the previous models. It looks a bit odd but my problem was that up here in the Cooper Basin when it gets wet the front wheels cut a track then the back wheels tend to hop from one side to the other. That’s not too bad because you are not travelling very fast. The problems really come when everything dries out then some of the clay roads have deep wheel groves left in them. Its hard enough driving on those roads with groves in them at the best of times but when your back wheel track is narrower then the front and you have a bit of speed up you really get flipped around. I bought the spacers over the internet from Snake Racing in Sydney. Since then I haven’t had any more problems. There is the question of legality though as you are altering the vehicle.
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Reply By: Nav 8 - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:24

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:24
G`Day all,,, I have just recently bought the 76 series GXL wagon have only done 2700Km so far and love it. I was quite sceptical about the claimed fuel consumption before I bought it but have been pleasantly surprised at 10 L/100 general use and 15.7/100 towing a 20`ft van, only slightly more than my old Navara. It is using a bit of oil, about 500ml/1000 so far but expected that and know that will settle down. Have fitted dual battery system, UHF and HF radios, power points for fridges etc in the rear and yesterday fitted Firestone air bags between the rear springs. My 4x4 history has been 20 years with Landcruiser then 13 years with Nissan and now back to Landcruiser. I have been very happy with the Nissan vehicles but have changed back to Toyota mainly due to the the engine issue and the poor attitude Nissan have towards their customers. I believe we all pay a little extra for the Toyota badge but they are a well proven product and do the job they are built for. Most makes of 4x4 are of good quality these days and all can have their faults but Nissan need to get their act together if they want to hold on to their share of the market.
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:35

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:35
That's great fuel economy! I've had 3 Hiluxes with a petrol Nissan Patrol in between. I agree with you about Nissan. Thanks for the info.
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Reply By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 15:49

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 15:49
Picked up our 76 series 1st October last year and now have 40000k on it. No dramas no oil usage but I changed to Penrite HPR15 @ 5000k. Towed 21ft van and also had rooftop camper plus other things on roofrack to the Kimberley and back. Overall fuel consuption was better than the 3Ltr Patrol that we used for a 20000k trip 2 years ago. My only issue is with the Toyota Dealers who do not do the service to the book and rotate the tyres as stated. I also require the oil filter to be change at every service which has been done every 5000k since we picked it up. I have just put a set of Cooper ST's on in the last week I hope they wear better.
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Follow Up By: Nav 8 - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:52

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:52
I see you have changed to HPR 15. I recently sent an Email to the Penrite Tec division for recommended oils for the 76 Series. They replied with the recommendation of HPR 5 diesel 5w40, I think the HPR 15 is 20w 50. Just interested to know why you chose the HPR 15? Regards ,,,Nav.
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Follow Up By: Skippype - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:32

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:32
Hey Crow
I have put a set of Cooper ST's on mine and am getting a brilliant run out of them. The roads & tracks up here just eat the tyres in no time at all. The Coopers have been brilliant so far 20,000km and they still look like new.
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Follow Up By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:45

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:45
Penrite recommended HPR15 when I emailed them Last year. I have been using Penrite oils for years in all the 4x4's I have had in the past.
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Follow Up By: Nav 8 - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:37

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G`Day Crow,, Like you I have also used Penrite HPR 15 for years. The HPR 5 is a synthetic oil and expensive, think I will give them a ring and double check. Thanks for your reply. Regards Nav.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:21

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:21
Twinkles, I recently changed from an '05 Hilux to a 70 Series Ute. Needed more load carrying capacity and higher tow capacitly so handle the move from a CT to off road caravan.

Haven't done a lot of KM yet, but it seems to meet my needs nicely.

I had GVM upgrade done to 3,700 KG (by ARB) before rego. That gives a pretty stiff ride when not loaded, but this vehicle will spend most of it's life fully loaded as we are about tho 'hit the road' full time.

My fuel consumption is around 13 litres per 100KM (not towing).

I have to say, I just love the torque. Even towing a 1,500 KG CT(but with vehicle fully loaded), we hated stopping on hills with the Hilux. With the new LC, even towing a 3,500 KG van, it just idles off the mark. Exactly why I bought it- so I'm happy so far.

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Follow Up By: Skippype - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:39

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 20:39
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That's pretty good fuel figures. I am getting about 14lt /100km and I thought that that was good. Most of my speeds are between 80 & 100km/hr but also a lot of slower driving as well. As you say the amount of torque is brilliant.
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Follow Up By: Twinkles - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:25

Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:25
Thanks Norm. The size of the Hilux suits me better, but I'm sure I'd get used to the wider vehicle. What model Hilux did you have?
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:54

Saturday, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:54
2005 D4D (first of the new model) Twinkles. Still a couple of pics of it in my profile. It was actually features in 4WD MOnthly a couple of years ago (front cover).
The Hilux was a bit more comfortable, with more creature comforts, but the LC is one tough truck. For load carrying and towing there is no comparison and for off road work. The live axles and factory diff locks will take me a lot further than the Hilux.

The Hilux was a great vehicle though. We have just changed our style of travel, so needed to move on.
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