Battery losing charge over night help!!!!
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 20:59
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John White
Toyota Landcruiser 100series 2005 turbo diesel battery loses charge over night no real experience in mechanical but good learning curve for me with the right help up in
Tom Price no auto sparkies if there is the charge like a wounded bull look at fuses no have failed some thing is drawing the charge out of the battery,
I do have a dual battery system the second battery is u/s till I can afford a replacement could this be draining the battery.
Checked all interior lights none are on no exterior lights are on I have not got a clue what it is had a look underneath there are no exposed wires from some of the punishment I have put it through but did find a lot of spinafex built up around the manifold and bash plate better clean that out while I was under there.
Reply By: stefan & 12 times Dakar winner - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:05
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:05
When my Patrol did the same thing it was a problem with the winch drawing current all the time. simple something is drawing current or your battery is cactus.
Cheers Stefan
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Reply By: qubert - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:17
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:17
check the wires in your trailer plug if you have one
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:38
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:38
yeah I will check it again have to find my test lamp just to make sure
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Reply By: Kazza055 - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:19
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:19
You don't by chance have a Tekonsha Voyager brake control units?
If so, do a search to find about their problems.
Bob
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:26
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:26
Your vehicle came from teh factory with twin starting batteries. Is this still the case, or have you isolated them?
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:36
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:36
yeah I think it is a factory standard one
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 15:48
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 15:48
John,
I'm not sure that you understand the standard setup. Can you confirm the model of your vehicle?
If your vehicle is as you describe, a HDJ100 (factory Turbo-diesel) it has two starting batteries joined by a cable. No isolator. So if one battery dies, it pulls the other one down with it, and you replace them as a pair.
If your vehicle is a HZJ105 (rigid front end, with an aftermarket turbo added to a 1Hz engine), it has a single starting battery and the second battery would have been added later, with some sort of isolator.
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Reply By: mechpete - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:31
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 21:31
you should take it to a mechanic or roadside service guy
and get him to load test the battery ,it may have a collapsed cell .
if it more than 2 or 3 yrs old .
mechpete
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:37
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:37
nah new battery and holds charge thanks anyway
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:06
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:06
If your aux battery is dead and the isolator is not isolating it will draw charge from the other battery.
It's a bit like two tanks of
water with a pipe joining them. Your isolator is like a valve in the pipe, if you leave it open, even just a little the level in the tanks will equallise. Now if your second battery is totally dead then its like having a hole in the second
tank. All the
water ends up on the ground.
That's how it was explained to me when the old GQ had a similar problem.
It's a bit scary but 2 new batteries and a new isolator solved the problem.
To check it, physically disconnect the second battery and see how it goes.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:46
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:46
Yeah thanks for the explanation mate if I need to explain this to some one else I think I will use these terms pretty basic I already had a feeling it maybe the second battery but I would of thought it would isolate when the ignition was turned off unless it is not the case with factory standard type
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:06
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:06
John,
Phil G has asked a very relevant first question regarding your problem. Do you still have the two factory installed batteries in circuit or have you split them?
Next point,
If they are both still in circuit and both flat in the morning it'd be a fairly safe bet one of them has a shorted cell and is dragging the other one down too.
This one applies to the joined factory install as
well as if you've split them.
You could have something partially shorted that is drawing a massive amount of current (least likely scenario) Do you get a big heap of arcing and sparking when you lift the terminals off the battery posts?
Do you have access to or have a friend with a multimeter? You could set it on the 10 amp DC scale and with the ignition in the off position connect it into the battery circuit in series. This will involve lifting the terminal off the battery post and joining the two of them with the multimeter.
This will soon tell you if there is something in the car drawing current or if the battery is the problem.
Really, with the age of your vehicle the most likely scenario is a dead battery.
Run some of the tests people suggest in here and let us know the results.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:42
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:42
thanks dude you are most informative and very helpful I will give it a try mate yeah I was thinking about that at work today about disconnecting the second battery if that is the case I better get an isolator install next time I am in port headland or
Karratha
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:46
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:46
you say one of your bateries is stuffed and by the sound of it its still in the vehichle
if so- theres your problem right there
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:04
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:04
yeah Davoe have pulled out second battery connected the terminals on the charged battery see if it still got charge when I get home
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 23:03
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 23:03
John,
You say the second battery is u/s.
Disconnect it as it is serving no good purpose whatsoever.
Then assuming the starting battery is still servicable, once it has been charged, see if it maintains its charge overnight.
If the dual battery controller is not a "smart" one, the batteries maybe connected in parallel all the time and the faulty battery will definitely drain the other and eventually damage it.
Bill
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Follow Up By: John White - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:49
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 00:49
yeah cheers dude good to see there are some helpful people on this site cheers to all if you have any more Ideas I will be reading them.
Well got to hang out the old work cloths and get to bed
Cheers guys
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Reply By: dagwill - Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 22:43
Wednesday, Nov 12, 2008 at 22:43
hi i agree with most thats been said
its a matter of crossing things off the list
1 disconect 2nd battery
still same prob.
2 charge evertyhing up.and disconect start up battery overnight, reconect in the morning
if it starts the prob is not in the bateries
disconect different things overnight and eventually you will pinpiont the prob.
good luck
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Reply By: John White - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:17
Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:17
Thanks for everyone yeah went straight to the second battery removed it and put the main battery connected it first thing yesterday morning when I came home I still had charge in the main battery so the second blat flattery was the problem the cruiser all a goer a again cheers have to wait for the second battery going a deep cycle battery this time. Got to get my car sorted by this time next year off across the top from
Tom Price to
Broome ,
Broome to
Katherine gorges through cough cough
Mount Isa to see the relations then to Cania gorges see Beautiful bessy then to Narang to see the sister inlaw may pop down to Byron Bay as
well. Looking forward to the trip been a while since I have been east of the border not since I left 10 years ago.
Well got to get back to work but thanks for the help guys
Cheers
Johnathon White
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 13:26
Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 13:26
With the setup you have, the batteries should be the same, not a deep cycle and a normal, as they are not seperated.
The other option is to to seperate them with a isolator, and then put your deep cycle in.
Chers Pesty
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