4X4 trip around Alice Springs

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 00:27
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Hello all,

from december 25 (around 12pm) until december 29 (around 5pm) we are planning to make a 4x4 trip starting and ending in Alice Springs.
Besides standard things like Uluru and King's Canyon, we would like to see some less touristic attractions, such as the old Ghan track, Chamber's pillar, ...

does anyone have experience, hints on beautiful sites / tracks, loding, ... in this area?
The old ghan looks very attractive, has anyone done this, and is it worth it? Or are there other more interesting routes to take?

Many thanks everyone!

Best Regards,

Wouter Remmerie - Belgium
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Reply By: motor_head - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 00:59

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 00:59
Hello Wouter, considering you have only 4 days and 5 hours to do your 4x4 trip to Uluru and King's Canyon i'm afraid you wont have enough time to see much else. May i suggest you hire a sports car instead of the 4x4, i really dont think you will need a 4x4 to see the main attractions in 4 days.
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:12

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:12
And remember it will be hot with trillions of flies to keep you company.
We were there a couple of years ago in January and went down to Rainbbow Valley(well worth a look), well everyone lasted about 5 seconds out of the car.It was 43deg c and the flies, could hardly move(or breathe).There was no one about (away from town)so if you are a first timer heading off alone in the middle of summer, I wouldnt.I'd stick to main tourist attractions, East and West Mac ranges, Rainbow Valley, Ayres Rock, Olgas, Kings Canyon to name a few.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 23:08

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 23:08
pity it wasnt 45deg
thats about the temperature they bugger off. If you walk facing the sun they will sit on your back in the shade and leave your face alone
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Reply By: briann532 - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:16

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:16
Lots of gorges and swimming holes in the west Macdonnell ranges. (Ormiston, Standley, Serpentine etc)We really loved Palm Valley too.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:53

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:53
Yep - conditions up there will be harsh at Xmas (it was 40+C in the Alice this week !!) - in my view, the sort of trip you seem to be suggesting is best done in the cooler months - some of the 'outer' parts are great, but on gravel roads in the scorching high summer heat - not for me. The main attractions on sealed roads (Yulara, Kings etc) are seen by some tourists then , but the all important walks are really only practical early and late in the day.
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:08

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:08
Wouter

It will be hot! Take at least 20 litres of water with you at any given time

You may go here

or here

or you may travel along Namatjira Drive to Ellery Creek Big Hole or take a walk and a swim through Serpentine Gorge

There won't be too many tourists around at that time of year so you may have the places to yourselves.


Cheers
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:18

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:18
Agree with Willem here.....

Do "the" loop past simpsons gap etc - gosse bluff, kings canyon and uluru....then back up to Alice....

you will see lots but 100% back up the idea of minimum 20lt per day.....!!
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:36

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:36
Have a look at the weather in Alice at that time of the year. It's going to be warmish, to say the least.
Not too much drama on the black stuff but........
That's fine if inside in the air con, but do a tyre or get bogged etc and there might not be too many people on the same track.
Please take the same precautions and supplies as you would if travelling into the more remote areas during summer.
i.e. Lots of water, shade, a satellite phone and let someone know where you're going and roughly what day you expect to return.
Enjoy your holiday :))
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Reply By: RobAck - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:10

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:10
Wouter the replies offer some excellent guidance. You will be arriving from a European winter to humidity of 80-90% and temperatures of around 38C to low 40C.

Apart from that it takes a day to drive to Uluru and a day to get back so that leaves you with two days.

I suggest the following options
- Talk to the tourism centre at Alice Springs before doing anything as they are the source of some excellent information
- Take an organised bus tour to Uluru and enjoy relaxing and the scenery. Remember if you are driving we have the steering wheel on the opposite side of the vehicel and we know from our risk management training that most of the low speed vehicle accidents in the NT come from Europeans and Americans reacting instinctively to driving situations as they would at home and when that happens you end up having a head on crash with an Australian
-Take the time to have a look at the Royal Flying Doctor Service at Alice Springs. This iconic Australian organisation is worth a visit for anyone
-Take a balloon flight, a fantastic thing to do and you can enjoy the grandeaur of Australia's red centre from a novel view point
-Relax and enjoy the very short time you are in our wonderful country

Regards

RobA
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Reply By: rredbeak - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 14:10

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 14:10
you will find a LOT oftracks CLOSED during the summer months,especially in the red center.
If you insist on going anyway then look up the "Binns" series of tracks on the net. they go everywhere through the red center.
other than that just checkout the usual icons [uluru] etc.

i reckon you go to the coast instead and NEXT year book your holidays mid year for the red center... Rod
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 22:20

Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 at 22:20
We spent around 5 weeks this winter doing a similar tour - although heading back to WA from Uluru.

Places we enjoyed were:

East MacDonnells; in particular Trephina Gorge, Artlunga.

West MacDonnells; most of the gorges, with Redbank being a favourite

South; down the old Ghan as far as Chambers Pillar.Owen Springs drive, Rainbow Valley and Hensbury Meteor craters

Other favourites; Gosse Bluff (an ancient impact site from what is believed to be caused by not a meteor, but a chunk of frozen space gas), and Palm Valley (two days with three nights there).

We went on to walk the full rim walk at Kings Canyon (staying two nights) - a really enjoyable walk, then spend three days to see all at Uluru and Kata Tjuta - the latter being much larger and more impressive than Uluru.

Next time we will head north from Alice.

Take your pick

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Reply By: boarderforlife - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 00:52

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 00:52
Hello all again,

thanks for all the replies!
Seems it isn't such a good idea to make long offroad journeys that time of year, I'll shorten the trip a bit and stick closer to the main attractions, maybe find some 4x4 adventure in between the king's canyon and the McDonnal Ranges, the maps show lots of interesting routes there as well...

Best regards!

Wouter.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:33

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:33
Kings Canyon is wonderful - if you take the big walk. It is quite strenuous, starting with a steep climb, and is closed when the weather is too hot.

Being in and around Alice during part of August and September this year, the first few days were absolutely freezing (cold wind), then the weather suddenly became much warmer. We camped at the site for each walk, so we could start out walking early in the morning before it got too hot.

I didn't swim in the waterholes at any of the gorges (some are signed no swimming), as they were not flowing and i didn't like the idea of swimming in stagnant waters. I though the warning about cold water was nonsense until we witnessed the lady who got into difficulties.

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Reply By: mintabiegeoff - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:04

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 13:04
Woulter,

It has been raining heavily up there which means plenty of waterholes to swim in. In big waterholes such as Ellery be very wary of the cold water under the warm surface water. It will take your breath away and some have drowned from the shock of diving in.. Definitely don't miss Redbank Gorge. Take an inner tube or something to float on, cross the main waterhole then you can walk and swim right through the gorge even on the hottest day. One thing about travelling in the summer is the peace and quiet, I love it.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:27

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 16:27
When we were there, a mature aged lady, who appeared to be a very competent and regular swimmer, wanted to swim across at Redbank. She did, but coming back, just slowed down. She was then unable to stand or get out of the water. Her husband helped her to crawl out, and it was around an hour or so before she could even walk to get back to their car.

I thought swimming in Emma Gorge was the coldest water i had been in - but had no ill effects like this lady. I am not a good or experienced swimmer.

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