Bypass Sydney heading south

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:18
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Hi
We are heading off from Brisbane to Batemans Bay down the coastal route but wish to avoid the worst of Sydney traffic.
Can anyone provide some tips on which freeways/motorways/highways to take to skirt around Sydney - where should we get on and off.
Will have a Navman but would like some finer details beforehand.
Cheers
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Reply By: feathery - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:27

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:27
If I Was you I Would go the other way that is via darwin ,perth and sneak in that way . Any way around that hell hole is a bonus
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Follow Up By: Findanomad - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:38

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:38
Maybe next year for that one
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Reply By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:29

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:29
findanomad

head down the freeway into sydney,travel along pennant hills rd till you come to the m7,turn right onto the m7 toll rd & your home and hosed,cheers.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:10

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:10
findanomad

It is actually the M2 you turn into when you turn off Pennant Hills RD. No good looking for the M7 signs. The M2 leads to the end of the M7.

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Reply By: Member - Clare S (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:36

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:36
There are no toll booths on the M7, you either have to have an E tag or phone within a certain time after travelling and pay the toll. I'm not sure but I have an idea there is an extra admin charge if you pay after you have used the toll road
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Follow Up By: Findanomad - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:40

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:40
I have just ordered an e-tag so should have it in time,thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:44

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:44
CLARE S


.....ah, but i never said there was toll booths on that road,cheers.
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Follow Up By: wigger - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 20:42

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 20:42
If you get your E Tag through ROAM you won't have to pay any account fees ot an inactivity fee for not using it at least once every quater. They are the best of the toll compamies and control the M7 but you can use the transponder anywhere. I use mine currently for the GATEWAY
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:13

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:13
wigger

Too late, he has ordered it. Just hope he has ordered the one available in Qld - there are no deposits on it like the NSW ones.

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Reply By: beelzebug - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:38

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:38
Hi Findanomad,

Once you arrive on the F3 at Wahroonga, take Pennant Hills Road and then turn right onto the M2 motorway. This becomes the M7 and eventually the F5 (Hume Hwy)
You will need an E-tag or pay by phone on the M7 tollway.
Once you are south of Sydney you can exit toward Wollongong on the Illawarra Hwy, but I find the traffic lights on the Princes Hwy south of the 'Gong very frustrating.
IMO, better to go via Goulburn, through Braidwood, and direct to Batemans Bay.

You could also drive from Braidwood to Nowra via Nerriga, and then turn south to Batemans Bay. Both are good drives.

have a good trip
Gary
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:08

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:08
Just a note that going from Braidwood to Nowra via Nerriga is still mostly a dirt road. Not a bad dirt road, but has major road works being undertaken and delays can be expected.
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Reply By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:39

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:39
mmmm ... tough one that - assuming you're heading down the Princes Hwy to Batemans Bay, you could either:

1. turn of the Pacific Hwy at and take the Cumberland Hwy to the M2 and then head over the bridge Southern Cross drive past the airport and take the Princes Hwy at Arncliffe - bit of traffic until you clear Waterfall or:

2. same route but continue the Pacific Hwy to Pymble and take Ryde Road to the M2 or:

3. take the long way around the M2 (not over Hbr bridge), but you'll still need to get back to the Princes Hwy probably via Centenary Drv at Homebush (will involve traffic) or:

4. skirt Sydney via the M2 and head down the Hume Hwy and take the scenic drive thru Kangaroo Valley and into Nowra onto Batemans Bay

5. Go way West.

Options 1-4 are going to require tolls and most of Sydney's tollways are now cashless so you'll need an e-tag otherwise you'll pay a premium toll (read fine in other words)...

A lot depends on what time of day and what day of the week you plan to hit Sincity .... if you time it right options 1 &2 can be quick and fairly traffic less - hit Sidderly on a Friday arvo and be warned !
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:45

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:45
for M2 read M2 to M7, options 1&2 take you down the M5.

As Gary said, it may be better to go no the Hume Highway and skirt across either via KV or Illawarra Hwy.

If you arrive either late at night or during the day (outside peak), the run down via Southern Cross drive and the Airport can be quick - just don't hit the dreaded M5 tunnel during peak hour.

Oh and BTW - stick to the advised speed limits - these Motorway are chock full of speed cameras...
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:24

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:24
Scott,

How can you possibly mention the Cumberland Hwy and "quick and fairly traffic less" as an option LOL You are obviously a masochist.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:30

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:30
Scott

Although the Cumberland Highway is part of the old Ring Road 7 it is only the part from North Parramatta to Liverpool. You turn off the F3 onto Pennant Hills Rd. You will only travel on the Cumberland if you miss the M2 turn off.
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Reply By: Findanomad - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:42

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:42
Thanks everyone i'll check the map but seems M2 and head down the Hume Hwy and into Nowra onto Batemans Bay has some merit.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:28

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:28
Hi!

Avoid Cumberland Highway like the plague.

The M2/M7 route eliminates no less than 36 sets of traffic lights.

Ian
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Follow Up By: Findanomad - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:42

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:42
Thanks
That's exactly what I am trying to avoid.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:49

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:49
This is the main thing - avoid the dreaded Cumberland Hwy.

Just go to the very end of the F3 and turn L onto Pennant Hills Rd. Follow signs for Parramatta INITIALLY, UNTIL YOU TURN R ONTO THE M2 - then follow signs to Canberra, get off at the Goulburn sign and go in through Braidwood. South coast will be signposted. Don't go thru Nowra. Carry on further south. The only problem here, is that you'll get a lot of the Canberra traffic heading for the coast (Batemans) unless you go from Braidwood to Batemans either very early or late. It will build up late morning during hols. It's still the best way though - even if you get caught in that last bit of traffic into Bateman's
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Reply By: Philip A - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:43

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:43
I thought someone asked this a couple of weeks ago.
I agree with Pennant Hills rd, although you should realise this can be one of the most heavily congested roads in Sydney with numerous B doubles.
Onto M2/M7
When you get to the end of the M7 turn left towards the city on the M5 , until you reach Heathcote Rd Trunk Rd 6, take the exit and turn right over the top of the M5. You then follow it to its end where it meets the Princes Highway ( after 20-30 ks of no lights) at the LAST set of lights before open road.
I think still quicker than via Goulburn and you do not have the pass.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:53

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:53
yeh i was thinking that or even just the start of the hume and get onto appin rd, brings you out at bulli, you can then take the coast rd from wollongong all the way to nowra

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Reply By: Splits - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:58

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:58
What time do you intend getting near Sydney? If you go through just after sunrise on Sunday morning, you can go straight down the Pacific Hwy to the start of the freeways near Artarmon then over the bridge and onto the Princes Hwy as easy as can be.

I used to go that way to work a few years ago and the roads were near deserted. Everyone must have been recovering from the night before.

I used to see a fair few clubman sports cars out for a play on the mid to upper north shore. That must have been the only time their owners thought the roads were quiet enough to take them out without getting run over.

Brian

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Follow Up By: Findanomad - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 18:22

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 18:22
We're more likely to be mid morning on a Monday.
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Follow Up By: Splits - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:14

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:14
In that case there will be a lot of traffic no matter which way you go but the majority of it will be on the relatively short section along Pennant Hills road. Once you get onto the toll roads it should be ok. If you don't use those roads then expect fairly slow progress until you get out near Casula.

There is another alternative which is a lot longer but much more scenic with very little traffic and lots of bush and that is to go inland through the Penrith area.

Turn off the F3 at the Somersby interchange near Gosford and go via Mangrove Mountain, Spencer, Wisemans Ferry, Windsor, Kingswood, Luddenham, Bringelli, Narellan, Campbelltown, Appin and Bulli.

Brian
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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:54

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:54
that is insane - he'd need 2 weeks going that route

Pennant Hills Rd will be congested but it's not a very long stretch and by mid-morning the worst will be gone.
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Follow Up By: Splits - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 23:00

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 23:00
Steve

It all comes down to trying to help someone without knowing all the fine details. Is he on a leisurely sight seeing holiday or is he trying to get there as fast as possible? How much traffic is too much? What is he accustomed to? I could drive through Sydney in peak hour and it would not worry me. To some people, six cars stopped in front of them is a problem.

That way through Penrith is certainly longer but it is not hard to work out the exact distance. Google Earth will show you what the country is like. It is up to him to check everything then decide. When you look at the overall distance and time between Qld and Batemans Bay, going around that detour would be just a minor addition.

Brian
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 18:21

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 18:21
On your Navman turn off the Toll ways and it will take you down and turn right into Ryde Road and follow it right down over Ugly Toms Bridge etc.To the Pacific Hwy, a lot of lights but not as stress full and easy to follow.

We did this trip about 3 wks ago and found it quite good and no tolls to worry about.

If you hit Sydney after 9:00am and before 2:30pm or after 7:00pm you should get a good run.

Just watch the speed cameras.
Safe trip.
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Reply By: toyocrusa - Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:07

Wednesday, Nov 19, 2008 at 20:07
Hi findanomad. Definitely the M2/M7. Take the Wollongong exit at Picton. You will come down Mt Ousley and bypass Wollongong. Instead of going down the Princes h'way through Dapto/Albion Park take the Port Kembla/Warrawong exit off the by pass. Follow this 6 lane road(called Masters/Springhill/Five Islands Roads,King St,Windang Shellharbour Rd.) through Warrawong/Primbee/Windang/Warilla/Shellharbour and it will rejoin the Prices H'way at Dunmore. There are roadworks (new highway for about7k) through Albion Park and it gets pretty hectic but this way is a breeze. Sounds hard but check Google maps and you will get a better idea. Regards, Bob.(I'm local at Shellharbour)
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:20

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:20
I'll tell you just how much I hate Sydney.....

If it was me, I'd drive down the Newell Hwy (or maybe even the New England) and go all the way around Sydney.... hahahaha
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Reply By: Ray - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:43

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:43
I'm glad that we do not have toll roads in W.A. So don't give them any ideas.
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Reply By: Von Helga - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 13:32

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 13:32
Findanomad,

I assume you realise that you don't need a E-tag fitted on you vehicle to use the Tollways.
On the ROAM website you can set up an account for a period that you are likely to be using the M7 Tollway and you get billed accordingly. We travel that road about 5 times a year and do it this way.
It is a couple of dollars cheaper than over the phone via credit card on the day.
Cheers
Trevor
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Follow Up By: Findanomad - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 15:13

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 15:13
Thanks
Unfortunately we have tolls up here too and I have been avoiding the etag as we still have booths, but going down south to pick up a camper thought I would get the etag then we have it.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:48

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:48
There is one important detail that I have not seen in this thread. Once you have crossed the Hawkesbury River you will not pass any rest areas until you clear Sydney (ie possibly hour and a half.) You may be able to find parking along the Pennant Hills Rd in one of three town centres or a service station. The rest of the roads are express ways and there is no stopping.

As you come down the long decent to the Hawkesbury there is what looks like a service road on the LHS. This is the rest area with dunnies. I suggest you make use of that one, the one back at Ourimbah or the Caltex service centre a few kilometres before that.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 06:17

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 06:17
It doesn't get simpler than this -

Google maps is your friend

1. Head south on Sydney Newcastle Fwy 32.0 km
2. Turn left at Cumberland Hwy 7.9 km
3. Turn right to merge onto M2 Mwy on ramp
Partial toll road 1.1 km
4. Slight left at M2 Mwy 7.3 km
5. Continue on Westlink
Partial toll road 39.8 km
6. Merge onto South Western Fwy 14.8 km
7. Take the exit toward Narellan Rd 0.3 km
8. Keep left at the fork to continue toward Narellan Rd and merge onto Narellan Rd 3.0 km
9. Continue on The Parkway 11 m
10. Turn right at Oxley Bypa 4 m
11. Continue on Appin Rd
Go through 2 roundabouts 14.7 km
12. Turn left to stay on Appin Rd 17.0 km
13. Slight left at Princes Hwy 0.8 km
14. Continue on Southern Fwy 31.8 km
15. Continue on Princes Hwy
Go through 7 roundabouts 179 km
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 06:22

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 06:22
Google Maps defaults to travel via Kangaroo Valley, so your Navman may too.

This is very scenic, but very steep descent, ascent and descent - ok in a car but painful if towing a caravan.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:17

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:17
Mike

I to found that Google Maps default route directed you through Kangaroo Valley. How did you get the results you presented to produce that route?

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:37

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:37
Peter

I put the cursor on the existing route along the coast then drag it inland and the available alternate routes will pop up.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:39

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:39
I just noticed step 3 may seem a bit confusing - the Onramp is 1.1 km long through the tollgates.
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