Trailer your 4 x 4 so you can do some serious Four Wheel Driving?
Submitted: Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 16:41
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Member - Tony B (QLD)
Seriously - I have to wonder how some people think! Thought I would post this reply I got to a thread to see if I was the only one that thought,
well, wow! Quote -
"Tony
No street car could ever go where I have taken my standard 4b. If I wanted to go into anything rougher, I would build whatever was necessary and trailer it to closed areas.
Plenty of people modify 2wd cars for weekend fun on a variety of closed circuits. They don't expect to be allowed to drive them on the streets".
If you place a post like this, one can only conclude that you obviously have not done any serious four wheel driving. A lot of 4 wheel drivers do and it is also your prime mode of transport. Consider that we are not all made of $. Sure a stock standard can go a lot of
places, but they will be very stuck and will not even get to a lot of
places I will go, us modified 4x4 owners are usually the ones recovering the stock standard. You would be one of those people calling for help!
Give us passionate 4x4rs a break! All were are asking for in this previous thread was for a fair set of allowable modifications constant throughout australia, so we can undertake our form of leasure with safety for all in mind. Cheers to all Tony.
Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 16:51
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 16:51
Hi Tony, not quite sure what your getting at.
Cheers.....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 17:16
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 17:16
Lionel. Fair enough as you say "Great minds think alike.
Simple minds seldom differ"! My car as a lot of others in big old Australia is not quite to specs in this State but in others it is fine. There are a lot out there like
mine and a lot that are way out of specs. This is there only car, most are not dangerous, but they like to go
places on the weekend and I mean
places not dirt roads. Do you think we should all have to truck them to where we go 4x4ing? Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 17:29
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 17:29
I guess it depends on what you are trying to achieve out of this much-varied passtime known as "4 wheel driving".....
I can only assume that the bloke who wrote that response is the kind of bloke who gets enjoyment from going to somewhere like "Landcruiser Park" etc. He could trailer his much modified 4x4 to the
park and then proceed to do the toughest of tracks all day. And there is nothing wrong with that....whatever tugs your chain is fine by me.....
However, that side of the "hobby" holds no attraction for me. I treat the whole journey as part of the overall attraction. For example, it would hardly be practical to trailer a much-modified 4x4 all the way to
Birdsville, just so I could do a crossing of the
Simpson Desert, turn around and go back to
Birdsville so I could stick the big rig back on the trailer and go home with it being towed by a F250 etc. To me, that is not an option.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 18:06
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 18:06
Roachie. It was an answer to this thread - Marysville Vic police booking four wheel drivers - So the thread writer is saying any modified 4 x 4 that may be out of specs needs to be trailered. It would be nice if there were Australia wide guidelines that were realisic. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 18:24
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 18:24
The way laws are applied to this Country you'd think we live in Europe with many countries not one !
Cheers
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Reply By: Robnicko - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 20:36
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 20:36
Tony,
As the previous reply said, with a federal Govt, State and then local govt the only way to achieve consistency is to have 1 Govt only.
Here's a dilemma, I have a cousin in
Sydney who rides trailbikes as
well and keeps asking me to ride up around
Goulburn with him. Here in Vic I do not have to registeer my 6x4 trailer yet in NSW you do. So I drive across the border and get fined!
Rob
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:58
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:58
"So I drive across the border and get fined!"
IS this for real? I thought if you were a Vic resident with Vic rego you were OK towing your 6x4 in any other state. Someone please clarify this please?
As for Tony's original post, I say each to thier own. The laws are there for all to either abide by them or break them and risk the consequences.....Your choice and I would not advise one person either way. I "bend" the rules as much as the next person but just keep other people's safety in the forefront of your decisions and I believe in most circumstances all will be fine. The older we all get (to a point) the better we become at making safe calls I reckon. We may have got away with many decisions when we were younger but that didn't make them safe decisions.
Regards, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 22:11
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 22:11
Trevor,
Apparently that is the case with 6x4's I was told.
I haven't run the gauntlet as the
Vic High Country is the best trailriding for me.
Rob
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:03
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:03
Tony,
For me, and just me, it's a case of "I drive to get into the bush, I don't get into the bush to drive".
Personally, the hard tracks just don't excite me anymore, I've done it and would rather enjoy the peace of the Bush and a fire.
The old bugger whom some have described as the "Godfather" of this site, Willem, gets by with a fairly stock GQ, and he has seen more of the outback then most of will ever hope to.
Just my outlook.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:53
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:53
many of the best spots ive been the lttle lever didnt even need to be pulled.
I bought a 4by to get to
places - weather im using all its abilitys or not to get there is inconsaquential
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Reply By: motor_head - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 22:48
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 22:48
Hi folks.....firstly i'm with jim, i go bush to be in the bush, driving in the bush is the best but anything that is obviously going to cause expensive damage to an expensive 4wd is not my thing, ive done comp stuff in a purpose built 4wd but would not treat my GOOD 4wd in the same manner......secondly, Tony, what excactly was that post replying too, its hard to be judgmental or give a sensible reply if we dont know excactly what the person was replying too.
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 23:13
Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 23:13
it made sense to me...
people build track cars that are not roadworthy. They trailer them to the circuit, they don't expect to drive them there.
The 'reply' is saying pretty much the same, if you want to drive a unroadworthy 4by, trailer it to a legal (private) place to use it.
The fact that there are different rules in different states is unforunate (esp. if you live in Qld since they seem to be the most limited) and confusing, but you still need to abide by your states laws.
Cheers, Nige
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 01:37
Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 01:37
I guess another issue is that if not legal on the road, it is still not legal in the High Country or other simialr tracks. It would then only be legal on private property or recognised 'track' or 'circuit' such as Landcruiser Mountain
Park or such like.
If people want to have highly modified vehicles specifically to drive in these 'controlled' areas then that's fine. But to have a highly modiofied vehicle to drive around the High Country seems unneccessary to me. Sure, fit slighly bigger tyres, diff locks for extra traction and a few other goodies to make things easier. But to whack 38" Super Swampers with 6"
suspension lif and 4" body lift is simply silly and I totally agree that these types of vehicles should be kept off the road.
I do agree that it would be nice to have a consistent set of 'allowable' modifications that may be made without engineering and from my understanding that is currently being attempted with the NCOP guidlelines. These guidelines will never allow the 'extreme' mods that some do and expect to be able to drive them on the roads. Perhaps someone else may like to comment on this.
Just my 02
Cheers,
Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 08:45
Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 08:45
Mark, fully agree.
Seen some awesome machines that would be unstopable in the bush, but watch them bounce and wallow all over the bitumen.
Cheers......Lionel.
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