Supreme brand deep cycle batteries. Any good?

And reading further into Google turns up this article, Supreme's Chinese Factory

Geoff

Geoff
There may be a difference as that set up is for battery packs and I dont think battery packs applies to vehicles.
Crown is in Ohio and that Supreme is in Georgia but who knows they may be a subsidiary.
Ian

Would love to know where you can get a 135amp hr AGM for around $350 ,, you wont even get an 80amp hr Fullriver AGM for that $350 nowadays ..

I just checked and have seen some for $395.00, with some hard searching and negotiations $350 isn't that far away IMHO.

Give or take $45.00 to keep you happy ok, more importantly the investment is well worth it IMHO.

TerraFirma can you please point me to them, I am interested in a large AGM for the trailer.

Faster charge is not always the case with AGM batteries as it depends on the recombination capacity as the higher the recombination the faster the charge and a lot of the cheaper AGM,s do not have a high combination technology due to the high cost.

Flooded wet cells with a high voltage charge input have the capacity to charge faster than most AGM batteries using smart charging technology and temperature compensation.
Ian

Faster charge is not always the case with AGM batteries as it depends on the recombination capacity as the higher the recombination the faster the charge and a lot of the cheaper AGM,s do not have a high combination technology due to the high cost.

Flooded wet cells with a high voltage charge input have the capacity to charge faster than most AGM batteries using smart charging technology and temperature compensation.
Ian

Thanks Ian but you can have your wet cell batteries all to yourself.! AGM is a better battery all day everyday.

$339.00 for a Fullriver 120AH HGL120 on Ebay right now, 10 left from a trusted seller. Would seem like very good buying right now, have seen these elsewhere for over $500.00.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FULLRIVER-12V-120AH-AGM-DEEP-CYCLE-BATTERY-2yr-Warr_W0QQitemZ290279848634QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item290279848634&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

You can jump on ebay and type in 120ah agm battery, there are other oprions also.

Thanks Terrafirma, that is a good price indeed.

All batteries have their application and I do not prefer one against the other I apply the battery to suit the application.

I was merely dispelling a myth.

Flooded wet cell deep cycle have the longest life and the fastest charging time under controlled conditions and in an appropriate application.

Good AGM batteries are hard to beat in most mechanical applications but there are a lot that are not good only makebelieve.

Full River appear to be one of the better lower recombination batteries.
Ian

Currently testing 27DC36 Lead Acid with 115 AH from Supreme.
Being the Technical Officer for the Pajero Club of Vic I was given one for a long term test.
14 months into the test their has been no problems with the battery.
At this stage they appear to be good value for money.
Dave

I used Delkor Calcium (DC27) batteries, however retired them after 6 years, not because they died, but because I was not prepared to risk taking them away for another winter and have them die on me.

Mainey . . .

Fullriver have been around for a fair while , nowadays at $400 for a 120amp hr you are doing well ,,go for it , you wont be dissapointed ,, my Fullriver AGMhgl,s are now 5yrs old and still perform as new.

I understand that you cannot (should not?) mix AGM and lead acid batteries, not even house and starter batteries. Not sure why, but someone may have the explanation.

BruceV

With normal vehicle alternators it is rarely a problem as the charge rate is not high enough to make much difference.

The problem exists where you have a charger that can charge 14.7V for flooded wet cell and you put in an AGM second battery that is overcharged at 14.7V and is damaged.

I have run a flooded wet cell cranker and an Optima yellow top AGM together for eight years now.

In that time I have used three FWCells to the Yellow top but it is now corroded under the posts and although still holding charge I will lose it with post separation.

Yes you are advised by some not to mix and match batteries but it depends on the specific application.
Ian

Yes have to back you up ,

Recentley got 2 x 105 ah batts for about $400 delivered for my CT .

Saw an 85ah at SuperCrap for $200 .

Even if you are in your van 24/7 why pay double the price for something that does the same thing , its not like its your starting battery, has warranty and everything.

My neighbour has optima's in his CT , I have spent $400 less !

Glenn.

You do realize the HGL in the Fullriver AGM battery designates that it is NOT a full deep cycle but the hybrid battery .

Yes Axel I realise this, I have 3 of them. I note your use of the word "FULL" deep cycle, in reality Axel the HGL series has been sold as a deep cycle battery by more people than I can count and it works fine. I am aware of all of the Fullriver batteries, if you wish to discuss full vs dedicated deep cycle plse use another forum. The HGL series has been discussed in these forums in hundreds of threads and there are that many people using it as a deep cycle battery just like me. Can we move on now..?

Thing is unless you specificaly

Wrong button , Terra you made the statement that a Fullriver AGM 120ah could be sourced for $339 ,, It is not , simple as that .
The designation of hgl with Fullriver gives you a hybrid battery which is priced less accordingly ,, less lead plate thickness ,
big deal you have 3 , I have 6 since 02 used as starter and aux in now the 3rd vehicle + c/t combination .. under bonnet - upside down -laying on side ect ect

All AGMs are inherently good at Deep Cycle performance.

If they are to be used for starting, they can be optimised for higher discharge currents without sacrificing much deep cycle performance.

Quote "All AGMs are inherently good at Deep Cycle performance."

Thks Mike, perhaps Axel will take note.

Axel, You don't need to buy the Fullriver DC series unless you are going to be frequently dropping the battery down to 40% capacity. The HGL Hybrid is a good allrounder, I stated you could buy a 120AH Fullriver AGM for $$$ and I'm correct.

Most people buy the HGL series battery because it can crank out 900CCA and also work as a deep cycle battery, yes the DC series is the dedicated DC battery and yes it has thicker plates bla bla bla, horses for courses.

IMHO the HGL120 or bigger would do the job nicely as a replacement for the battery this thread is being discussed. In fact the HGL120 is advertised as a Caravan battery by a number of sellers, humm I wonder why..??

I make this comment as a 'distributor' of said battery, I would NOT sell a HGL series to anyone wanting to use it as a storage battery, make of that comment whatever you like.
(no further comment will be made on the subject)

Mainey . . .

Mainey, I hope the fish bite as well as you do cocko..! LOL...

I make this comment as a "reseller" of Fullriver batteries. I would sell the HGL as a caravan cycle battery and I have done many a time. The DC series battery is a storage battery designed for frequent charge & discharge cycles also capable of recovering from discharge to below 50% on a regular basis. I do not believe the DC series battery would be necessary in general caravan useage. The HGL is suitable and is promoted as a caravan battery.

Further comment is welcome, however I concur with Terra and Mike and the others who are using the HGL series in this enviroment. The HGL series over 30AH should return a 8-10 year life cycle if maintained with a suitable battery charger in a holiday makers caravan enviroment.

Yes I would agree with Terra on the suitability of the HGL as a caravan battery, I have 2 in mine. I chose to increase my AH capacity to a total of 240AH (2 x HGL120's).

Often the capacity is not enough and batteries are discharged to an extremely low level on a regular basis, which is not good good for any battery. Increasing the AH capacity is always a good thing if in doubt.

You may need to consider your charger also as recharging a bigger bank in terms of AH capacity is inportant. Sometimes caravan makers cut corners with both battery size and charger to reduce costs. IN the real world having ample capacity and charger to suit is critical.
You may want to analyse your useage Warstar before replacing the battery, 150H to 200AH may be ideal.

Terra and others
What are the PLFT12-100 and the PLFT12-120 Full River or are they.
I have just found them at reasonable prices in Sydney.
Ian

Sorry I stuffed that one up good and proper I read it off the wrong page.

The batteries are the equivalent to Full River and the firm in question only deals with Full River and a firm called Leoch .

The batteries are definately deep cycle and are PLCG 12V 100 and PLCG 12V 135.
Ian

Sorry guys, Further info. I have just been reading the battery specs and it appears that float charge should be set to 13.8V.

Further the manual on the charger in discussing the battery type selection states to select :-
"GEL": for "sealed type(VRLA),Gel, Maintenance free, automotive or deep cycle lead acid batteries" which I guess covers the Full River DC series?