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Submitted: Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 19:49
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Hi everyone, i put up a post yesterday asking about taking my cats to Lake Eyre, but it was moderated due to a breach of the "Trolling" rule. I then put up another post asking what is meant by the term "Trolling", as i didn't understand its' meaning. This post was also moderated, due to a breach of the "Moderation Complaints" rule. I am in no way complaining about the moderation on this site, i just want to apologise if i have offended anyone by doing the wrong thing on this site. I hope i can be forgiven by the visitors, members & owners of this site, as it is a very valuable source of information, and i hope i can continue to recieve great help from all of you for many years to come. Anyway, have a great night everyone.

Cisco
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 19:56

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 19:56
Trolling imply means that you are not serious about the subject matter and are just looking for responses.
Could I respectfully suggest that this is how the original post might have seemed.
The issue of cats is well known. Feral cats are a huge problem to our wildlife. And to suggest that one might take their cats out there simply beggers belief.
Hence, the responses I might suggest.
Have a great night.
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Follow Up By: Member - shane (SA) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:03

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:03
thanks footloose, Now i know what trolling is.
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Follow Up By: Ciscocat - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:20

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:20
Thanks for clearing that up for me, Footloose. I understand that feral cats can be a problem to wildlife, but i must say, that my cats are extremely well behaved, and that they are well trained & kept on a leash at all times. I have taken them on several camping trips with me over the years & not once had a problem with them. Perhaps some people should take a look at what other idiots are doing to the environment, but thats another debate :)

Cisco
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:27

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:27
Jim (Footy) is being very diplomatic. Trolling is more about posting an inflammatory topic to incite arguments and verbal battle. These generally degenerate into abuse, insults and general behaviour that would not occur on a face to face basis.

Such is the way of forums. The moderators here have tightened it up and the forum is the better for it.

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:00

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:00
Gday Jim
Maybe Ciscocat should have a look at the "Pussy Willow" outside William Creek
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:31

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:31
sorry but im yet to see any cat that wont kill anything that moves (yes plenty are also claimed to be very well behaved - but they still kill anything that moves)

whats more they are carriers of toxoplasmaosis which is present in their faeces. native animals have little resistence to it.

there are just too many reasons to not own a cat and the idea of taking one out bush just boggles my mind

this probabally says it all


Do cats harm wildlife?
All cats, even well-fed pet cats, can kill wildlife. In Victoria, on average, each pet can kill 25 creatures every year; this adds up to 12.5 million creatures every year. At the same time, feral cats eat the equivalent of seven native rosellas each week, over 70 million creatures each year.

Most wildlife killed by roaming pet cats is often caught just outside the back door. All cats, including your pet cat, hunt by instinct. Often a captured bird or possum will appear undamaged but, almost certainly, it will die within 36 hours from shock or infection. Cats’ mouths are hot-beds of bacteria. One bite to a native animal leads to rapid spread of infection against which it has little resistance. Cats carry Toxoplasmosis, a disease which can devastate wildlife populations
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:43

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:43
Chaps,

Make no mistake, I despise Cats and think the miserable beasts should be considered as vermin.

I was just defining trolling, but will accept that Cisco may be one of the few responsible Cat owners.

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:53

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:53
Obviosly not if they even contemplate taking their cat camping
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnray (NSW) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:54

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:54
If a third of the worlds pop has Toxoplasmosis ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
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Follow Up By: Ciscocat - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:55

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:55
get outmore, are you one of the persons that likes to inflame posts?

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Follow Up By: Ciscocat - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:05

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:05
get outmore, sorry to correct you, but, this post was never about cats, this post was a personal apology from myself. Please stick to the topic at hand so that my post doesnt get moderated again.
Thank you.

Cisco
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:15

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:15
Im nort intentionally inflaming anything but i love the bush and wildlife and theres no way i can read mention of taking a cat out camping without firing up
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Reply By: Member - shane (SA) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:00

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:00
Don't need to apologies mate, im a member and i don't know what a trolling rule is either. I would not of thought asking a question that one does not understands helps everyone.
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Follow Up By: Ciscocat - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:22

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 20:22
Thanks Shane.

Cisco
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:00

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:00
Think "trolling" as in fishing, where you toss a line in and see if anything bites - hence, the analogy is to toss a contentious topic out and see if anyone bites; generally some people will bite, an unholy row develops and so the Moderators sensibly kill it very quickly.



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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:44

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:44
You've hit the nail exactly on the head Dick and we would all do well to take note. Well put.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:31

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 21:31
Cisco,

I happened to read your original post and was in the process of replying to it in a non imflamatory way but couldn't as it was moderated while I was replying.

Just for your information matey, Lake Eyre region is a National Park and as such NO domestic pets are allowed within the Park boundaries.

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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:12

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:12
I however became inflamed.... I must keep my eyes open to people who troll and not get sucked in!

My brother owns FOUR cats... lets them out of an evening if they want to go out. I can barely stand to visit. His back garden has nothing left alive... but neither does most of the Merri Creek.... His neighbours also have cats roaming. AAAARRRGGGHHH!


There I go getting inflamed again.
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Follow Up By: Ciscocat - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:58

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:58
Sandman, thank you for your reply, i wasn't aware that Lake Eyre is a national park.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:18

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:18
Royce, you illustrate once again that cats have people. Most often irresponsible people.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:50

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:50
Before this thread gets moderated under the "Cats are off topic" rule - Ciscocat, if you have genuine questions about what you did wrong to have your threads moderated, contact the moderators who can be found via the Contact Us button.

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Follow Up By: Ciscocat - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:53

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 22:53
Hello Motherhen, i tried that last night and did recieve a reply saying that my post had been reinstated, but its not there.

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Reply By: Member - Barnray (NSW) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:30

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:30
With due respect who has a dog? and is that dog an angel.any dog will have a go at a lizard or a bird in flight.or any thing else that is fair game, and my dog is well fed.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:37

Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 23:37
Who has a dog???

I have a friend who is agnostic, and dyslexic.

He daily ponders the question:

Is there really a Dog?

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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 18:08

Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 18:08
Agreed. Mine are workers and kept in control.
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Reply By: Flywest - Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 02:40

Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 02:40
Once when harry Butler & I filmed a 1 hour TV documentary for the GWN network, on native animals - we went out with a spotlight at night and the TV cameras and filmed the many many numerous feral cats at and around the local tip.

Harry claimed on air that there were approximately 20 million feral cats in Oz and that each one ate at least ONE native animal a DAY.

40 Million native animals a DAY.

That was back about 1993 or 4 from memory - probably more bye now.

Add in what feral foxes eat each day, and you can see why our natve ground dwelling fauna compared to Tasmania for example is so badly under threat / Depeted and threatened!

In 7 years of fauna trapping for CALM in our southwest forests, we only ever caught 1 Western Native Cat Quoll (Daysurus geoffrii).



They have a real tough time competing for food with feral cas and foxes.

The Northern subspecies up in the Kimberlies seems to have fared a bit better than the south west variety.



Used to catch a LOT more feral cats than we ever did native cats!

I've had pet cats in my life and think they have their place but probably it isn't in our national parks and state forests etc.

Our native fauna need all the help they can get and then some.

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Follow Up By: Flywest - Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 02:44

Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 02:44
Youd think by 50 I could count - rollseyes - that should have read 'eats at least two native animals a day" to equal 40 million native animals a day.

I still have a vid copy of the doco all these years later but Video players to view it on are few and far between, one day i should get it transcribed to a DVD.

Apologies - I hate to "misquote" anyone with the credibility of Harry Butler OBE, even if it was an unintentional typing slip.

I guess it's called getting old!

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:57

Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:57
Flywest, I would PM (Personal Message) you but you need to cough up with the readies and become a member.

If you are down Mandurah way drop that video in and I'll put it onto a DVD for you. Only takes an hour or so.

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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:52

Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 08:52
Hi All

Where we live, we have grown Native Trees ect to encourage the
birds such as Lorikeets, Rosellas, King Parrots ect, and a week dosen't
go by that you don't see the Carnage caused by Cats, I have given
notice to the residents in our area that on our property we have
Cat Traps supplied by the Gold Coast City Council, the deal is that
when we catch cats we are to deliver them to the Animal Welfare
Centre, where they will keep them for a couple of days and after
that they will dispose of them, I wont even go that far, I do it my
self, with a 22 at my sons property.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Moose - Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 14:26

Tuesday, Mar 03, 2009 at 14:26
Good onya Daza. Keep up the good work.
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