All Terrain (AT) Tyres Feedback

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 15, 2009 at 21:40
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looking for AT tyres for 2001 prado,80% road 20% sand .I'm running stock- 265/70/16 dunlop gr/trek. Cooper ATR or Bridgestone D694 look ok, any feed welcome.
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Reply By: Member - Paul W- Esq (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 15, 2009 at 22:12

Sunday, Mar 15, 2009 at 22:12
i dont think the Kumho KL78 Road A/Ts can be overlooked either. i have done 17k on mine now(285/75/16) on sharp rocks,river crossings over slippery river rock,sand and some mud and the have performed exceptionally,also very good on wet asphalt. for $200 ea i find them excellent value for money.going on current wear figures i should get at least 80k out of this point in time they have no pieces missing just some very minor cuts in the walls.
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Follow Up By: wicket - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:54

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:54
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:02

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:02
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Ros C (VIC) - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 22:45

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 22:45
I'm on my third set. Seem pretty good - drove over Big Red and back, across Gibb River Road, Tanami, Old Andado.....took good care of them and they returned the favour.
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Reply By: Tenpounder - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18
Hi there. Your use pattern (80%/20%) is about the same as mine. Your vehicle is similar (my Prado is older). I too switched from HT passenger tyres to LT ATR tyres. I believe LT (Light Truck) is the way to go as well as ATR tread pattern in the interest of tougher tyre carcass (read puncture resistence). Cost is similar. Perhaps a bit stiffer on bitumen, but very reassuring on dirt, especially gibber etc..
I am using Cooper LT245/75R16, which have almost exactly the same rolling radius as the stock tyres, available in LT for about the same price as stock Cooper HT Passenger tyres, but slightly narrower.

Hope this helps
Chris (SA)
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Reply By: PradOz - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:37

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:37
i have same prado and have Cooper ATRs which have been great.

just checked my purchase receipt and mileage and i have done 68,500 kms over 5 years on them. some of those years the only time i used it was when i went off road as i had a company car then so the prado had no real other use (only 1500kms one year). did 8000kms to centre and back on them over two weeks also and had no problems with them. i did have a warranty claim on a fault in one early on but they replaced it no worries.

i would be about 80/20 in road/off road use, but last couple years has been limited to sand and some fire trails and minor off road stuff due to my back injury. i have no problems with chipping etc as some on here have reported, but i think problems may also relate to how they are used, where used, how they are looked after etc or could have been a bad batch??

i can remember parking my prado next to my sister in law's brand new prado when she got it and my used cooper tyres made her new dealer supplied dunlop grand treks look half used and mine look like new. there is a big difference in tread depth and you will notice a huge difference from the dunlops. could also ask on pradopoint forum for opinions
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Reply By: Bruce M - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:40

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:40
I had BF Goodrich LT265/70R17 AT tyres fitted on my 2005 Prado since new. It has now done 61,000km, 11% of that offroad - including places like the Flinders Ranges, the Red Centre, the Pilbara and the Kimberley. The tyres are rotated every 10,000km, including the spare. My BFGs show no cuts and are perhaps 60% worn. The only puncture in that distance was a nail in the driveway. I am very happy with these tyres and would recommend them to anyone.

Bruce M
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Follow Up By: bockstar1 - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:47

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:47
Me too
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 23:17

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 23:17
>105000 on my last set of four, and I then used three of them for the camper.

Good grip both on tar and dirt (wet or dry), not so much in thick mud, but they are AT.

On my third set, cant see me going Coopers for all the trouble they seem to give some people.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 16:19

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 16:19
I have used Cooper ATR's which so far have done 95,000kms however they are aweful tires in the wet, dangerous IMHO.

I'll be looking at the Pirelli Scorpions..
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Follow Up By: Tenpounder - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 17:04

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 17:04
Hi, Terra Firma. A bit of of feedback, please! Your assessment of poor performance in the wet: is that, in your view, something you've had to cope with all along, or it something that has developed as the tyres have worn? My ATRs are well short of your 95,000km, and I have never run my tyres down to the wear bars, but I am interested to hear of your adhesion/grip/stability problems, so that I can be ready!!
Chris (SA)
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 08:52

Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 08:52
My ATR's (LT) have been brilliant in the wet, no slippage under takeoff, good stopping power....even when worn down to the point of replacement.

Much better than ST's we run on another vehicle.

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27

Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27
I think after 95,000 with probably another 10,000 left, very early in their life, and nowdays worse, is their performance in the wet. Now if a tire can get that sort of mileage then it must be using a slightly harder compound and sacrificing grip. Mine are Cooper Discoverer ATR's 265x65x17.

There are also some USA reviews from various customers stating the same thing on these tires. They are great in every other way, low noise , great wearing and dry traction etc etc but I think they could be better in the wet.

Having said this I haven't tested any other tires on my Hilux so look forward to doing so.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 13:50

Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 13:50
It could be that i bought Aussie "tyres" rather than your US tires ... LOL

I wonder if they have changed compounds or manufacturing locations, which might explain the difference.

I guess the other issue is that wet bitumen is different depending on location in AU. Some places may have a buildup of oils etc or different frictional co-efficients depending on the mixture etc. Asphalt may be slippery compared to 20mm aggregate with a pinch of bitumen thrown in for binding. ;-)

So many factors which i guess may affect our judgements of tyres.

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 14:37

Tuesday, Mar 17, 2009 at 14:37
Could well be Andrew.. Bitumen ain't Bitumen..! Not to mention if you run them on a new TD Hilux it is so so easy to spin them off the mark..! Cough Cough , Nudge Nudge..!
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 22:34

Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 22:34
Very funny.......bloody modern Diesels!

Anyway...slightly OT, but....

90 series TD 96kw, 343Nm etc etc auto.... New BFG MT's....

Wet T- intersection, slightly uphill & I was turning right.

Poor visibilty in the direction of oncomming traffic, so when you decided to go, you needed to GO!...

oh BTW the Prado 90 is a constant 4WD vehicle too....

Anyway put the foot down & yes we have wheel spin, I kept the foot in it till it was obvious that the steering was now completely non-functional.....she was pushing straight ahead instead of turning off the gas, get her turning again & back on the gas...

A rather interesting experience indeed....

You don't need a D4D to spin tyres off the least in the wet :), any Toyota can do it!
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Reply By: RobAck - Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 17:48

Monday, Mar 16, 2009 at 17:48
We run D694 AT on a 120 Prado. If I recollect you have a 16" rim so you can use the D694LT if you want a 10 ply tyre but you have to ask yourself if you really want to go that far. It all depends on the country you travel in, how heavily loaded and how often.

If the vehicel is your daily drive and you only do a few weekend trips off-road and maybe a big off-road trip once or twice a year then you are going to spend a long long time on bitumen and so the balance between choosing an AT vs an LT comes into play.

Toyo Open Country is an excellent tyre as well and definitely one to consider. Again you need to strike the balance on use.

For example this year we have been travelling through some seriously rocky terrain on a regular basis and quite heavily loaded so the AT's are showing distinct signs of wear and we are waiting until the new LT D694 arrives in a few weeks and will fit them but we know there will be a trade off in ride and an increase in fuel consumption due to the heavier tyre construction. These issues we can live with but are things you should consider in your choice.


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Reply By: denism - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 21:04

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 21:04
i'm biting the bullet and going for Bridgestone A/T D694 tyres.Thanks for the feedback everyone.They're on special for $250 ea for march.I' ll keep you posted on how they go. Denis M
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