My rear view camera is OK for reversing, but hopeless for hwy vision on my van.

Submitted: Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 15:51
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If I am on the highway, I usually cannot see a vehicle on my screen, until it is 20 yards behind.

I don't need it as a reversing camera, I just back up until I hear a crunch. I need it for that big blank spot behind the van on the hwy.

What I need ( I think ) is a less wide angle lense camera, of good quality. I am prepared to pay good money for good optics.

Can anybody suggest a brand / model number that fills the bill ?

Thanks,

Willie.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 16:21

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 16:21
Hullo Willie,

Sound in Motion in QLD do all the electronics for your BT. I recently asked them the same question.

They do a 1/3" CCD camera (better than CMOS) with a 120 deg field of view. They assure me no fisheye lens.

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You will probably have to take a photo of the type of connection between the camera and the cable, brand etc to see if they can upgrade it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:22

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:22
Thanks Stephen, I will ask them for their opinion.
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 16:34

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 16:34
and if you want to flog off your current system I might be interested, god knows how many more dents one would save the back of my ute from.
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Reply By: Tenpounder - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 16:57

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 16:57
Hi there. I have similar experiences, but the following vehicle appears soon enough to distinguish it 'in the fog' when it is a hundred metres away (a bit better for semis), and looks like it's a mile away!
I would be wary of assuming all the problem is in the camera, since there's a couple of tiny wires carrying all the signals 30ft from the back of the van to the cabin, and not all connections are 100%. Also, Does the video monitor check out OK?
I like the idea put to you in this thread of talking to a reputable dealer, rather than trying to source the perfect camera yourself, only to find out the limitations lie elsewhere.
In my case, it is also a matter of handling variable light conditions, so again it's not just optical lens quality, tho I share your view about dubious fish-eye lenses. Hope you sort it out.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 23:06

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 23:06
Hi Chris

They certainly appear further away in the camera, but you soon adjust to this.

Mh
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Reply By: Member - Alex B - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 17:48

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 17:48
Hi Willie,
It could it be the position of the camera? Mine is installed at around bumper bar height and gives a much better view than when it was high mounted looking down.
Hope this helps

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:40

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:40
Hi Alex,
Mine is mounted on the rear bumper of a Bushtracker which is quite high off the ground. It points down the road, not at the ground. Should be perfect.
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Reply By: ruafrood - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 18:06

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 18:06
Willie
We have the same problem with our Polaris system (3 year old) as the camera on the Caravan is too much of a fisheye.

However it, as you say, covers that space that is directly behind the caravan that the Aussie Truck side mirrors don’t fully cover.

You can pick up those cars that you saw in your side mirrors in the distance but as they are travelling “faster than the speed of light” they are suddenly right up your clacker and out of your side mirrors vision.

I find that the combination of good side mirrors (legal requirement?) and the rear view camera is great, though like you I had hoped for better distance vision from the caravan camera.

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 18:17

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 18:17
Willie

I have a $24 Ebay colour camera and it is as good as the Polaris one I have on the car.
I can see vehicles from way back on the road and they are quite visible in the screen.

One thing i did find is that the camera works better if it is shaded from direct sunlight on the lens. The same applies to a camera If you shoot into the sun its not so good.
I have also tried an expensive Swann camera with Infra red and it was hopeless. If Flared out and the colour was crap.
Swann told me these cameras are optimised for night light really and arent as good in daylight.
Attached is a pic of the camera on rear of van.
Cover is a 40mm poly bend and trimmed to fit.
Small screen is car cam and 8in one is van cam.


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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:46

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:46
Graham,

I will definitely install a sun / rain drop cover on the new camera. I really like your neat design, but it will not fit in the spot I have.

Thanks for the tip on infra red - I will avoid them. I do not need night vision as I seldom travel at night and If I do I can see the approaching headlights OK.

Thanks,

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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 20:16

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 20:16
Hi Willie

We made a mistake selecting the last camera. The el cheapo from Hong Kong on eBay gave excellent distance vision. Then because of flimsy home made wiring we got a set from Brash Electrics - but we chose the wrong camera. Distance vision was not good - all looked well but we couldn't see the car behind us in the camera until it was about to pass. The on the dirt road, dust obliterated any hope of rear vision. The wide F250 mirrors gave us good rear vision anyway, so we unplugged the camera. I am getting a quote from Brash on a replacement camera that will be suitable.

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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 21:07

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 21:07
Most reversing cameras are just that, not intended to be used as a 'rear view mirror'. Usually resolution is low which is probably the cause of your problems.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 23:03

Friday, Mar 20, 2009 at 23:03
As we learnt with our second system, reversing cameras and rear view cameras are two different things. Rear view cameras are invaluable on a caravan.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:36

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:36
So Mrs Hen, did you in fact source a rear view camera ? Is this what you ordered from Brashes . Is it 90 degree, 120 or what ?
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 16:40

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 16:40
Hi Willie

He was going to source a 69º one, but hasn't got back to me about it yet. I only got onto this a few days ago. Ours is mounted above the rear window, and previous one was made to point down for reversing, but we set it to point backwards then discovered it did not show us what we wanted, although the picture appeared clear.

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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:42

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:42
I started off with a camera with 180degree alround view and same problem as you have. Changed to a Weaco which is 120 degree wide and 90 hight and is pretty good. I actually think a 90 degree wide would be be be OK but I was unable to find one.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:38

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:38
Neil,
Yes, I think I will have a search for a 90 degree camera.
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:48

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:48
Me again,

I need to get a new screen also, as I buggered mine trying to mount it in a bracket using a little bit too much muscle !

What is the highest quality / best resolution available please.

Willie.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:03

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:03
Willie,

if you need to get a new screen as well, I still recommend talking to Sound in Motion. If your present one came with your BT they probably fitted it.

They are fitting a rear view camera to our BT and screen to the Cruiser. It would be a simple matter to fit a new one to your van by running the cable through reticulation pipe bolted under the van and then bring it up to about number plate height.

They assured me that the 120 deg camera they are providing is just right and the screen is good resolution too.

I haven't got brands or specs at hand but they seem to choose good quality product.

I'll leave it up to you.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 17:09

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 17:09
Stephen,

I had mine fitted by a mobile phone/ radio fitter who operates from a van and came to my house to put cameras in the van and the car.

Before I did this, I rang Sound in Motion and the price they quoted was 40 % higher than what I could get it done for here. Perhaps it was using better quality gear, I am not sure. I was thinking of getting it done by S in M while I was up there getting an extra solar panel and new batteries installed at the BT Factory.

For looking at the highway behind your van, I think you might find yourself disappointed with the 120 deg. camera. You should look at a 120 deg. system installed on another van / car before you commit.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 20:40

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 20:40
Willie Have a look on Ebay for a camera sold by seller called
95soarer

Thats who I got mine from

I will try to post a couple of screen shots on Tuesday when I leave Sydney to go to Nowra.

Cheers

Graham




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Follow Up By: Member - Paul W- Esq (VIC) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 21:06

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 21:06
Hi Graham,

i also bought 2 cameras and the rear vision mirror screen from 95soarer some years ago, 1 camera on 100s and the other on the van and both have been faultless. all that for $153 delivered to my door had me grinnin!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:36

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:36
Graham and Paul,

Just came out to turn off the puter - been watching the Super 14. Thanks for the info and I will check 95soarer out ( especially how wide angle the lense is ) tomorrow.

Thanks a lot,

Willie.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 21:28

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 21:28
Where did u mount the one on the car.
Mine is under the top half of the tailgate and I ran the wiring back through the loom in the door.
As you will see from my previous post I have a Polaris screen for it and an 8in for the van cam.

Cheers
Graham

Pic of camera on Croozer

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:38

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:38
Graham,
I mounted mine on the Kamar rear wheel - just abobe the licence plate light - too easy ! Yours is a neat job.
Willie.
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:58

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:58
I went hunting on eBay and found a lot of cheap wide angle reversing cameras.

I also found this truck site. They sell rear view as well as reversing. I do not know the prices yet, but they do not look cheap.

I will ring them on Monday.

They have a 40 degree camera . see

http://www.truckrearvisionsystems.com.au/clarion_cameras_details.php?id=3
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:41

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:41
I would think they will not only be expensive but the angle is too narrow as if you were on the motorways in Sydney they would be too narrow on a multilane road.

The one I have is I think a 120deg and does the job really well.
Will be on the road again tomorrow so will try and take a screen shot to show you




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