Isuzu D-Max ute ?

Submitted: Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 19:21
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We are looking for a caravan tow vehicle and Margo and I are having a polite discussion about what we may need, comfort V capability, Auto V Manual, and various other points. We were looking at landcruiser but really prefer the layout of a twin tub ute.


Today we had a quick look at the Isuzu D-Max 3lt turbo diesel, it has a tow rating of 3,000kg and looks interesting.

Does anyone have any experience with them or any comments ?

We want to do all road touring with a van, not "Serious" off road driving.


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Reply By: Wherehegon - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 20:50

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 20:50
Neighbour just bought one 3 weeks ago. Around the 47k top of the range with some extra's. He was saying considering the way the economy is and people saying the yards are selling very little and now is the time to haggle, he said he went to a couple of yards and most of them wern't willing to budge very little on prices. So far he is totally rapt'd with it. Getting 8.2L per 100 mixed highway and city driving. He took it to Stockton beach last weekend and had a ball with it and said ample power. He also tows his fishing boat with it and said you virtually dont know its there. All up so far extremely happy with it.....WHG
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 21:26

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 21:26
The rep we spoke to said they can sell more than they can import !

A nice situation to be in at the moment. we were quoted $42,000 for the 4 door auto version.

Any idea what aftermarket gear is available for them ? The main thing I would need immediately is a canopy.
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Reply By: Member - Peter H (WA) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:06

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:06
Hi Doug

Son bought the Holden Colorado 4wd Turbo diesel which is basically a re badged DMax.

His is an auto and thinks its the ants pants. We just did a trip tp and from Perth today and it is very comfortable.

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:41

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:41
I was just told the Top Gear Australian review said the ride was really bad :-)


I wonder what they were comparing it to ?
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:47

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:47
Most lilely a Calais. lol
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Follow Up By: Lotzi - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 15:32

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 15:32
most probably comparing it to a Mayback
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:03

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:03
I wonder what a tow bar for a Mayback costs :-)


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Follow Up By: Lotzi - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 19:17

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 19:17
well, if you have to ask .. tch tch ...... :)))))
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:22

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:22
D200Dug,

a friend of mine, and an EO member "andson", just towed his van (not a big van) from Perth to Canberra and back behind his Holden Colorado dual cab diesel (same as a DMax).

He found it to be very good.

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:40

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:40
We are in Queensland but moving to Victoria

Swimming against the tide :-) !!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: andson - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:35

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:35
D200Dug,

This is true D200Dug, I just did 10000kms in my Dualcab, Mine is actually a Rodeo but the last of the Rodeo's with the new CRD 3.0ltr. I Am a Holden Dealer and I have been told that the DMax has the older generation 3.0 CRD Isuzu Motor in it where the Colorado has the newer generation motor in it.

Trying not to sound bias I would stick with the Colorado, if not for price just for the fact that more people know the Holden brand and even though they are much the same car the Holden brand shines brighter.

Any questions just email me shane@mandurahholden.com.au
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:48

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:48
Thanks for the info and photos ! What kind of canopy do you have on your truck ? and how do you find the Jayco toy hauler ? Have you done any dirt road driving towing that van ?

I really liked the look of it when I saw it at the van show but Margo was less impressed. I would love to put an awning over and screen the rear section and have a nice verandah to sit out on :-)
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:41

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:41
Sorry andson but they are the same motor. The D.Max is built in a different factory than the Holden.
Saying to buy the Colorado rather than the D.Max is a far bit miss leading, one you sell Holdens and two Holden will not be getting the Isuzu Colorado for much longer, as GM America are to get a vehicle from one of their South America factories to replace the Isuzu (thats if GM have not gone broke by then)

And this is a photo of the MU-7 from my earlier follow up

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And it has the 3.0 CRD DOHC motor as the D.Max and Colorado
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Follow Up By: malglo - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:19

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:19
D-max dealer here in Adelaide claimed that D-max 3.0 diesel was twin cam engine providing flatter torque curve than the single cam Colorade engine a month or so ago.

Can anyone confirn this?

Mal
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:40

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:40
From my research I believe they are the same motor, car dealer being a car dealer I suggest lol
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:01

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:01
Bruce, I see your comment is made in jest but let me clarify that Andson (Shane) is on this Forum as a car, caravan, any form of transport ENTHUSIAST, and is only interested in sharing his enthusiasm.

He races cars, rebuilds cars, and collects cars (when SWMBO allows).

I suspect that when he does sell a car to a fellow enthusiast it goes out at cost.

As I said, glad you put lol at the end of your post otherwise it would have been unkind and most inappropriate in this case.

Enough of that, will we see you again at St George?

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Reply By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:39

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:39
Bruce might sell you this one for a liitle bit extra than a standard one hehehehe

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I had a talk to the Isuzu people at the Brisbane 4X4 Show and was told they will soon have a space cab out soon to.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:46

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:46
Was also asked if the Isuzu MU 7 would be worth bring into Australia as well. As I told them about owning two Isuzus one being the older model MU 7 which was the Wizard. Naturally I said yes may be give me one to test for a few months hahahaha. I said them being smaller than the Pathfinder, Pardo and Pajero they could be in a niche of their own, as they are not a soft roader. Price would wont to reflect the size.
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Follow Up By: Member - Campergirl (NSW) - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:29

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:29
Bruce Garland from http://www.sydneycampertrailers.com.au/
may be able to answer your questions in regards to the Isuzu DMax's.

He just came 11th outright in the Dakar rally. His Dmax was prepared by himself in his Sydney workshop - so he knows all the in's and out's of the vehicle and is in contact with Isuzu all the time.

Call or email him on the numbers on his website.

He also hires out camper trailers and has a vast knowledge on off road driving and car prep.

Hope this may help.

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Reply By: Custom Boat Loaders- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:36

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:36
We bought a 2008 LX Colorado last year - manual 3lt diesel as like you we want a 4WD but not needing to do serious 4WDing.

We looked at the D Max - same car and got a better price from Holden; the Ranger and the Mazda (same cars) there wasn't as much room in the rear seat and the turbo charger was underneath whereas the DMax & Colorado is on the bonnet. Also we felt the Ranger was a bit older technology in a few of the features.

We towed the 21' caravan down to Walpole in January (from Perth) and it handled it perfectly. The fuel consumption was very good - especially after a 4.8l Patrol - and it didn't lose power even thru the hills around Bridgetown.

The ride isn't as good as the Patrol but is still very comfortable, and it's very good as a 4WD - we pulled a bogged Landcriuser ute out a the beach near Nornalup. Coming home we took some back roads - rough corrugated gravel and it was very good.

We have removed the ute body and built a 3 door canopy which is nearly finished - just to put the doors back after painting and set up the fridge slider etc.

We are leaving in 8 - 10 days for Sydney and are confident it will do all we need to do travelling and pulling the caravan.

Hope this helps.

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:50

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:50
Thanks Di

Sounds good,

I would love to see some photos of your canopy if possible, you may be able to answer another question for me as well.

Do you know of a good custom boat loading system to carry a 10ft walker bay plastic boat on the roof of a D-Max ?

my email is silverimage at powerup.com.au :-)

cheers doug
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 20:16

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 20:16
Di,

Do you find that the Colorado tows the van better than the 4.8 Patrol? That would be impressive as the Patrol is an awesome tow vehicle.

Secondly, I'm surprised that you find the ride in the Colorado to be more harsh than the Patrol. I base this on the experience I have that our Ford Courier (fore runner to the BT 50/Ranger) has a far better ride than the Old Man's 4.8 Patrol, and I've used both extensively.

Interested in your opinion.

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Follow Up By: Custom Boat Loaders- Tuesday, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:21

Tuesday, Mar 24, 2009 at 14:21
Hi Jim,

I wouldn't say it towed it better as the Patrol was great for towing -- but it does it as well with a far better fuel consumption.

I don't think it is quite as comfortable as the Patrol - a bit more bouncey. But we have put the pump up suspension in for towing so may be that's why (the Patrol was altered as well).

I can't answer the technical stuff but the bottom line is the Patrol was very expensive to run compared to the Colorado and so far we are very happy with the decision to change.

Ours has the vinyl floors - which I think is far more practical for 4WDing whereas the Patrol was carpet, and getting in after you'd been walking through the sand with wet feet or worse, mud, was always a worry!

Cheers

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Reply By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 13:24

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 13:24
One other question as I have such good information coming in :-)

does the scoop on the bonnet cause problems in dusty conditions or in water crossings ? It just looked a bit odd to me ?


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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 13:32

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 13:32
That is for the intercooler and causes no problems dust or water, actually water is good cools it down a lot more.
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:11

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:11
Cool ! I just found it an interesting look on a 4x4 :-) I see snorkels are available for them.

How do you find getting after market accessories ?

Is there a need to upgrade the springs for towing ?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=6366846&__Qpb=true&Cr=14&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965558%204294800245&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&l=du&seot=0&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=64&__sid=11F6BDC0D2DA

Long web address but there is a dealer on with 0 km for $31K

a lot better than the $42K we were quoted yesterday.

I guess the crunch is hitting harder down south than up here on Qld.
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:23

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:23
Oops 4x2 not 4x4 :-(
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:27

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:27
What ever say ARB, TJM etc have for the Colorado fits the D.Max.
For towing I would be fitting a set of air bags.
If you could get to the 4X4 Show at the RNA they have a displace there till this arvo probably get a good deal.
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:53

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:53
I was there yesterday that is where we saw the D-max display and started thinking seriously about it ! :-)

My mech deals with one of the mobs that had a display there selling variable rate springs and poly air bags ( I cannot remember the name ) but I am sure he can get them at trade and for them for a good price for me.
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 16:41

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 16:41
It should be an all round capable car. I put the snake racing 3" lift on my 3ltr Rodeo with Air bags to carry my camper. Cheers TONY
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:02

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 17:02
Where did you get your snorkel from ?

the rig looks like it has done some serious work ;-)


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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:21

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:21
2007 Rodeo Snorkle Kit

From memory I got it from this mob and fitted it myself. Boy that is scary cutting into the new paintwork. They supply a template so just needed some minor hole widening and it all fitted OK! Very hard to get your hans up behind to do up the nuts though.

Yes we take the beast places and very soon another workout going the Old Coach Road to Maytown. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:34

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:34
Thanks I will get someone to fit it for me I think :-)

I am a chicken at that kind of stuff !

good prices though.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:41

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:41
Also got the front LOKKA Diff locks off them as well - Boy are they worth their weight in Gold. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:52

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:52
Ok so you would recommend front lockers ?

does yours have the rear LSD ?

how do the LOKKAs affect turning and handling ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 18:47

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 18:47
Yes to the front Lokkas. Will cost you about $1200 though. Do not try to fit yourself, it took a good mechanic friend of mine some time, had to machine to get tolerances. Also fit free wheeling hubs as I did and you do not have to turn the diff all the time. So $600 Kit, $300-400 Lab & $250 free wheeling hubs. Fuel consumption is slightly better with the hubs as well.
Yes I have the LSD and while I have that I will not touch the rear diff. Performs good enough as it is.
The Lokkas when in do effect the steering slightly, tends to want to centre all the time, not a problem with the power steering though and takes no time to get used too.
No problems with them as yet, though I would like to add I tackle obstacles at the lowest speed possible needed to negotiate it with success, so mine do not get a pounding that some might give them.

I will be doing a very tough track shortly where they will be working VERY hard on rock ledges (So will the Coopers) I will post on how they both perform after that and if indeed the combination of LOKKAs and Coopers on rocks may lead to damaged tyres. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 18:58

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 18:58
mmmm I will not be doing any serious 4x4 work rough dirt tracks would be the most I would do and never any rock work.


http://www.4wdsystems.com.au/gfx/specials_2.pdf

$649 for the front lokkas

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 19:28

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 19:28
D200Dug - A very wise person told me that the only time you should use the word never is in the statement - You Never Know! :-))))

I used the never word a few times long ago and it comes back to bite you - that is another story. So at the moment you will not use your vehicle to its Max, but as for the future " You Never Know! :-)))) ".

Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 20:10

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 20:10
Ok the only rock work I plan is if I drive off the road :-)

Dif locks or winch or both ?
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Reply By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:16

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:16
I steered my brother in that direction after he started looking at Navaras (D40) and I slapped him silly.

The Isuzu started at $40k and at that time the Holden was running out 08 plated Colarado LX TD Auto 4x4 Dual Cabs for $32K... just miss out on chrome mirrors and cruise.

Dont know if they are still running them out at that price but I just was dissapointed that Isuzu wouldnt bargain and didnt believe my brother about the price of the Colorado.

Asthetically I like the look of the Colorado too, better design in the headlights and grill (but thats just me!!)

All the best, both great vehicles and even better at a better cost (they were $45k)

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:31

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:31
Mate we love our Isuzus...........hey I could not bring myself to buy another brand.. hope they bring in the MU 7.... we have 3.5 years to retirement so I might have to up grade the MU..but I will never sell it. They are just so reliable, hey mate wouldn't you like your Rodeo to have the same paint job as your old MU no no might scratch it hehehehe. take iit easy mate
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:45

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:45
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Still an Isuzu family Bruce haha! This is the bosses MU (she made me sell the old one and then we got the Rodeo and after missed the MU)

Her own little run around and with the cost to run being nothing...still a great second vehicle.

Yeah I would love the Rodeo to be the Red Pearl the old MU had and its getting a paint job bit will only be a white re-paint. Funny how the MU was 15 years old and not a spec of rust but the 10 yo Rodeo has rust spots around the windscreen....spot the true Isuzu haha!

All the best mate,

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:02

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:02
Your lady has got good taste mate.....The Japanese built great vehicles for them selves.....a lot of people are under the impression that the grey import were crap vehicles...well we provided them wrong hey.
Hope to get over your way in the next couple of years

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 23:56

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 23:56
I actually prefer the look of the isuzu grill !!! :-) but there is no way I would pay any extra for how a vehicle looks, if it works and is not bright pink I would buy it for the right price.

If it was bright pink and the right price I would probably consider it anyway :-)
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Reply By: D200Dug- Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 22:26

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 22:26
Talking to my mechanic today he likes the isuzu engine and knows a couple of people who drive them.

Really good report he did say that the suspension in the rear is pretty soft and needs an upgrade. Also they seem to have a problem with chassis frame cracking near the rear wheels after prolonged hard use. he knows the spot and can add strengthening very easily.

One of his other customers had a cracked frame and still went back and bought another similar vehicle, ( and added the reinforcing )
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Reply By: D200Dug- Tuesday, Mar 24, 2009 at 20:45

Tuesday, Mar 24, 2009 at 20:45
IT IS DONE !!!!!!!


My thanks to all who gave great and honest advice today we have bought ............................................................................................................ A new demo model 2008 plate last of the Holden Rodeo.

Isuzu engine and full Isuzu running gear old style front end ( I can live with that ) the runout deal was just too good to go past and then they mentioned as we are buying it for our business there is a 30% tax refund for ABN holders !!!!!! instead of the usual 10% GST refund :-) serious bonus points!!!

it is the LX version but has ABS and whatever the electronic break distribution thing is called, good for towing.

We have optioned it up with steel bull bar, canopy, tow bar and cruise control. Once we get it I will put dif locks on the front axel and beef up the back suspension........... to start with :-)

Again thanks for the help and advice

cheers doug
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