Which 4x4

Submitted: Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:05
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Hi Guys,

Im a complete newbee here so hope you'll be gentle and excuse by newbee question!

I moved to Sydney a few months ago from the UK, Im looking for a 4x4 to get me from sydney up to the mountains at the weekend during the winter to get my snowboarding fix.

I figured a 4x4 would be useful because I wouldnt need chains when driving up to Threadbo (hopefully) and also I'd like to be able to stick a mattress down in the back and get the odd nights sleep.

With these requirements in mind, on top of wanting something that doesnt drink too much fuel could you guys please give me some ideas of whih 4x4s I should consider. I dont have a fixed budget but dont want to spend more than 15k..

Ive been looking at mid to late 90s Hilux Surfs, the 3L TD versions, is that a good idea?
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Reply By: Matt(WA) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:12

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:12
A,

Look at a troopy or an 80 series landcruiser. Or a GQ/GU patrol. Both makes have a NA 4.2 diesel that wont win any 1/4 mile drags but will do the job in your budget and will go forever, easy to get parts for and loads more room than a hilux or surf.

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Reply By: FourbyNewbee - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:29

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:29
Cheers for the advice, what sort of mileage should I expect/avoid on a mid 90s 80 series?
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Follow Up By: Matt(WA) - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 00:13

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 00:13
If you have a good look you should be able to get a 94-96 1hz 9-80 series with under 200k. I sold a 97 80 last year with all the fruit and 170k on it for only a few grand more than you are looking at.

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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:46

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:46
Hi Newbee,
having a 4X4 won't get you out of putting chains in the NP. There are times when they stop all vehicles and force to put chains on or you don't proceed any further. The stupid part is, if you are a competent driver and hadn't been forced to stop in the 1st place, you probably wouldn't have needed the chains.

There are times though (slick icy conditions) when you need chains as the only way through. I lived and worked in the region for many years and only had to use chains once when a very kind NP "officer" forced me to stop to put chains on for the last 40mtrs of the up slope into perisher. What a ..... ! Mind you, a lot of others were sliding off the road because they didn't know how to drive on a normal road let alone on snow and ice.

In those days I was driving Tojo "stumpy" with Coopers Mud Trackers. Oh those were the days.... lol. (:
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Reply By: FourbyNewbee - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:56

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 23:56
Cheers Fred,

Interesting stuff, in that case of wonder what you guys think of my half baked plan..

Because Im down in Sydney and work in the city, I plan to pretty much do the commute up to the mountains every weekend in the winter season, my thinking on a 4x4 was that it would A get around the chain issue and B possible give me a place to sleep without having to pay hotel charges etc.

Is this a very realistic plan or am I just gonna get pulled up every night for sleeping in my wagon and also freeze my ass off lol
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 00:07

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 00:07
In reply to your last couple of questions.

Here are the Answers
1. No.
2. Yes and Yes
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Reply By: psproule - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 06:16

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 06:16
Ditto Disco Drivers answers.

And given that you have just moved from the UK, you do realise how far Thredbo is from Sydney?
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Reply By: FourbyNewbee - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 06:42

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 06:42
something like 6 hours aint it? Not too bad..
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Follow Up By: Tony - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 07:56

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 07:56
You would be better off with an All Wheel Drive. Subaru Wgn are a good choice.

You still have to carry chains no matter what 4WD you have.
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 09:14

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 09:14
Agree with Tony, a Subaru is the way to go for snow.

And a lot better to poke around Sydney during the week.

Ya still gunna get a frozen ass sleeping in the Suby!


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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 12:19

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 12:19
I agree with Tony & Allan - most of your driving will be on the highway so a Subaru would be far better (you only seem to want 4WD for the chain issue rather than off-road ability). A Subaru will be more economical (fuel), more comfortable on the highway, and be better on the many corners when you get to the mountains.

You should be able to get something decent for $15k, and Subarus have a good reputation for lasting a long time.

Was it you that had the Patrol/Maverick 'stolen' when it was not registered in your name? Make sure you transfer the title this time - even if it means you have to pay stamp duty, eh?!
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Follow Up By: Member - Daniel M (QLD) - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 12:22

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 12:22
Subaru or similar size would keep your fuel costs down quite a bit to.


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Reply By: Madfisher - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 13:54

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 13:54
You can buy immaculate very low k Jackaroos(isuzu) for arround $12000 to $14000. Do not touch the diesel, but the petrol v6 is a brilliant motor and econical if you get a manual. Autos are rather thirsty. They make a much better road tourer then an 80 or Gq.
If you want to go rock hopping get the heavey duty 80 or gQ
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 18:56

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 18:56
I'll second that - that Jackaroos are very comfortable tourers (I just sold one at the end of last year) I could drive it all day and not get aches and I often had passengers commenting on how comfortable it was to travel in.

Mine was a 1995 with 3.2L V6 and had 395,000km on it when I sold it. I never had to do any no major work (exc. changing the timing belt!) so don't be afraid if the kms are well over the 200,000 mark - it should have plenty of life in it if looked after. You can pick up 3.2L Jackaroos for around $7k with around 200 - 250,000km.

I still think the Subaru would be better if you only want 4WD for the snowchains issue. Otherwise spend the $15k on a good 2WD and a set of snow chains (they don't cost that much), and it's rare that you have to fit them going up to Bullocks Flat/Thredbo (different if you drive to Perisher Valley) - I've been driving coaches up there for the last 4 winters and never had to fit chains, YET!
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 19:47

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 19:47
Very interesting Tim, I am trying to find out just how long those 3.2s last if well serviced. 450000ks is the highest I have found so far,but suspect they may last much longer then this. I believe they are a chrome bore motor anyway so would only need new rings and bearings but overhaul the heads.
You are right also about the long distance aches and pains. I drive lots of new car at work and get out of most of them barely able to walk.(joys of old age) Yet I have done 800 ks in my 98 Jack several times and arrived at my destination still fresh. Not sure if the 3.5s last as long as the 3.2 yet, but are one of the few motors I have driven that make good power from 1000 rpm to 6000rpm..
Cheers pete
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 20:56

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 20:56
You mean I sold it thinking the end was near and it still had another 55,000km in it?! :) It might depend on how much blue smoke you're willing to put up with before you declare the engine officially "worn out"!Mine had only just started needing an oil top-up between 10,000km services. Not sure either about 3.5L engines - I heard of a catastrophic failure around 150,000km in one of those due to oil blockages - might be prevented by regular servicing and/or using an oil flush every so often.

Interesting what you say about good power from 1000-6000rpm - I found my petrol V6 Jack pulled out of corners better at around 1500-2000rpm than my brother's t/diesel Prado - go figure?! I think the 3.5L Jacks had "variable induction system" which was supposed to improve low-end torque even further (max torque was around 3750rpm in the 3.2 but reduced to 3000rpm in the 3.5 - that's not bad for an EFI engine!). Anyway, all interesting, but ever so slightly OT! :)
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 21:16

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 21:16
Tim I remember reading years ago they where designed to do 500000ks.Yes the 3.5 will pull strongely from 1000rpm in 4th.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: troopy 2005 - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 16:46

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 16:46
Rarely you will need chains to get to thredbo ,more likely if you go to perisher. but if the weather is really bad its better to catch the train . There is no overnight parking in perisher and it not to popular in thredbo, but you can camp at the diggings near thredbo ,or at sawpit creek near perisher. The carrying of chains in the park is compolsury for all 2wd and is inforced.The little subies are great for the snow.
All depends how much you want to spend.
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Follow Up By: FourbyNewbee - Friday, May 08, 2009 at 19:41

Friday, May 08, 2009 at 19:41
Hmm Ive been thinking about a scooby wagon for a while now..

Also theres the Nissan Stagea, looks like a pretty mean spec and you can pick up an 02 m35 for 20k!
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Follow Up By: troopy 2005 - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 09:20

Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 09:20
there a pretty flash wagon ,but there japanese imports so be careful.If you want to do some travelling besides just the snow,as in the beachs in summer then a landcruiser is a good investment ,20k will get you a pretty decent truck,set it up for camping and your laughing.
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Reply By: Madfisher - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 20:52

Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 20:52
Did not want to say to much a couple of days ago Newbee but son just arrived home with an 02 white Jackaroo with bullbar and driving lights(worth $2500 and a nescesty in the bush) in Immacualate Cond. No 4wding whatso ever, log books 130000ks for $11500. Has done 400ks so far on the trip meter on two thirds of a tank. Drives superb. Do your self a favour a take one for a drive.
Cheers Pete
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