Which came first......

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 21:55
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Which vehicle was produced first?

Nissan Patrol...Toyota Landcruiser...Landrover?

We all know that Jeep was developed during WW2.

Willie
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Reply By: TonyY - Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 22:13

Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 22:13
Land Rover 1948

The prototype Land Rover was based on a Willys Jeep chassis.
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Follow Up By: Willie - Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 22:27

Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 22:27
Then Nissan Patrol in 1951...Toyota 1959/60?Never a dull moment
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Follow Up By: Outnabout David (SA) - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:19

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:19
The first Toyota 4wd was the FJ25 & FJ 28 in 1958. Funnily enough these were 4 speed with a vacum shift on the transfer for 4WD. Then in 1960/61 they brought out the FJ40 series and went back to the 3 speed box that stayed with the cruisers until 1972/73.
Anyone want any parts? I still have the parts books for these old models!We have so little time to enjoy our land
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Follow Up By: ToyMotor - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 19:01

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 19:01
Yep, sure enough the first Toyota LC in Australia was the '58 FJ25, but a Japanese model was demonstrated in 1951, subsequently produced for the Japanese police, and mass production of the Land Cruiser started in 1954.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Martin - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32
Willem, sorry I have to spell it out for you. I referred to Landrover and Nissan not being able to get it right whilst Toyota does it so well. i used the word "It" as a global term for building four wheel drives. mmmm me thinks you drive a Nissan!
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Follow Up By: Martin - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32
Willem, sorry I have to spell it out for you. I referred to Landrover and Nissan not being able to get it right whilst Toyota does it so well. i used the word "It" as a global term for building four wheel drives. mmmm me thinks you drive a Nissan!
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Follow Up By: Martin - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32
Willem, sorry I have to spell it out for you. I referred to Landrover and Nissan not being able to get it right whilst Toyota does it so well. i used the word "It" as a global term for building four wheel drives. mmmm me thinks you drive a Nissan!
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Follow Up By: Martin - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32
Willem, sorry I have to spell it out for you. I referred to Landrover and Nissan not being able to get it right whilst Toyota does it so well. i used the word "It" as a global term for building four wheel drives. mmmm me thinks you drive a Nissan!
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Follow Up By: Martin - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 23:32
Willem, sorry I have to spell it out for you. I referred to Landrover and Nissan not being able to get it right whilst Toyota does it so well. i used the word "It" as a global term for building four wheel drives. mmmm me thinks you drive a Nissan!
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Follow Up By: Willie - Saturday, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:02

Saturday, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:02
Martin,

Some people are WISE and some people are OTHERWISE.

I wonder which category you fall in to??

In the wash up I do think that Landrover surpasses any of the other makes in pioneering work in four wheel drives. And Toyotas, especially the early ones, were prone to severe rust. The later ones too have had problems. You cannot differentiate between the makes to say one is better than the other. Concentrated in your face marketing ploys do not necessarily make a for a great vehicle. All vehicle makes have problems.

In over 100 years the basic wagon concept and the power configuration in automobiles has not changed whilst we have made leaps and bounds in In formation Technology. So none of the companies who manufacture 4x4's have come up with innovative concepts or made a vehicle to last forever.

In the end all cars are just re-cycled earth !

Cheers,

Willie
Never a dull moment
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Reply By: Slammin - Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 22:27

Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 22:27
THE EGG!!!
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Follow Up By: Martin - Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 23:53

Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 23:53
Sorry Slammin it was the chicken. And to think Landrover and Nissan still can't get it right while the relative new kid on the block does it so well!
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter (WA) - Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 23:54

Thursday, Aug 28, 2003 at 23:54
chickenBorn to drive a 4x4 , not a keyboard
Peter York 4x4
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Follow Up By: Willie - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:34

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:34
Slammin.....What are you on?.......:-)

Martin....does WHAT so well?Never a dull moment
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Follow Up By: Tony - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:55

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:55
I think he has got tounge in cheek there.

I was in Darwin in 1964 when Thess? imported the first SWB Toyotas, they had two of them down at ? beach at low tide, and chained together facing opposite directions and bogged to the chassie rails, and then used on to tow the other out.

Quite a show in those days when it was mostly Landrovers about.
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Follow Up By: Willie - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:11

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:11
Hi Tony,

Recognise the Pic?

You are showing your age..........I only got to Darwin in '68. Yes it was Thiess who imported the Toyota to Australia and I think it was in 1959.

The beach could have been Mindil Beach or Fannie Bay Beach.

In 1988 on a Thiess Toyota display day at the Hidden Valley 4x4 circuit in Darwin I drowned a brand new HiLux diesel in one of the water holes. Had two Sydney based journalists and a Toyota rep on board. I had told them that the air intake was situated too low on the vehicle and dangerous for water crossings but the rep said to go through the water. The ute had 75km on the clock and had to have the whole engine repaced. I was a popular as rats under the house for the rest of the day.

Toyota eventually saw the light, raised the air intake and later still fitted most diesels with snorkles.
Cheers,
Willie
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Follow Up By: Tony - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:03

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:03
It must have been in 59 Willie cause Thiess (thanks for the spelling) had Toyoytas down at the Snowy then, they were a rag top 3 speed, bloody cold in winter aye.

Had a cousin driving a D9 down there and he told me that they lost a few over the side in different places and just covered them up (a fitting memorial don't you think)

Which pic?
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Follow Up By: Willie - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:08

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:08
Tony,

The photo(pic) at the botom of my post. Florence Falls, Litchfield NP.
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Follow Up By: Tony - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08
No photo this end.

Now Litchfield there is another story, when the park was being set up, had the task of shooting out the buffalo and the Finniss River mob wanted any clean skins I got, I got to see a bit of the country side that way. And there was some big crocs out in those swamps.

Set up camp at Wangi Falls where the car park is now, it was spare ribs every night with a swim to clean up.
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Follow Up By: bruce.h (WA) - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:21

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:21
your all wrong it wasnt the chicken or the egg that came first it was the rooster
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Follow Up By: bruce.h (WA) - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:21

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:21
your all wrong it wasnt the chicken or the egg that came first it was the rooster
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Follow Up By: Member - Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 16:44

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 16:44
Tongue in cheek I think not, gland in hand??? I'm not so sureSo many places to go!
So much work to do :0(
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Follow Up By: Old Soldier - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 20:42

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 20:42
C'mon you blokes,

It has to be the chicken.

did you ever see an egg try and lay a chicken?????????????

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

good discussion

enjoy the bush

DennisN

BTW - Landrover had the Snowy licked long before the tojos appeared on the scene.

And no - I don't own one - never did
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Reply By: troy - Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:54

Friday, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:54
I think willie that inadvertably you saved alot to people alot of trouble by drowning that hilux. Talk about having the right people at the right place at the right time.
A snorkel is a small price to pay to protect a deisel engine
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Saturday, Aug 30, 2003 at 11:50

Saturday, Aug 30, 2003 at 11:50
G'day Willie and you other Oldies,

I can cancel out most tojo/nissan debate with the following. I started work on a station on Barkly Tableland in June '64. They had an International Scout there, that spent most of its time in the workshop, because the front diff used to come up and crack the harmonic balancer. It was a dog!!!

Saw first long wheelbase in late 64, and next year the Boss had one on site. Rough, uncomfortable, rattly doors and windows, lousy brakes, but fast(er than a Landrover). Still driving them almost 40 years later, and currently own one(97 model, not a '65 model).

They're all good, depending how you treat them - except that Scout.

Good to see you back, Dennis,

Hooroo...

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Follow Up By: Willie - Saturday, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:09

Saturday, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:09
Bob,

Funny, didn't think of myself as an oldie :-)

I was hitchiking around the country in '68 and spent a couple of memorable nights at the Renner Springs races and at Elliot. Its all changed now but every now and then you find the odd bushie around to have a yarn to.

Talking about dogs...what about the Austin Champ? And for that matter in my opinion, the Ford F series 4x4's.

The stations used to drive Nissans up north until Toyota came out with a 4-speed. After that bull catchers never looked back.

Willie

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Follow Up By: Rhino - Sunday, Aug 31, 2003 at 11:40

Sunday, Aug 31, 2003 at 11:40
Good comment Dennis,
They'll all break given the wrong driver - some a bit more spectacularly than others.
Simon
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Reply By: Member - Colin (ACT region) - Friday, Sep 12, 2003 at 16:05

Friday, Sep 12, 2003 at 16:05
Not sure of this ones age but it had Jap writing in glove box !!

old toyota at Sandstone - 1997

Subaru Forester
size isn't everything !
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