Garmin Topo software
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Member - 1/2A
I've had a look at Shooky map Oztopo and Oziexplore but none of they are compatible with Garmin Base
camp. I contemplating buying Garmin Topo Australia but can't find any good reviews on it, just wondered if it was any good.
Arthur
Reply By: The Explorer - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:09
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:09
Hi - why Basecamp? Havent had a good look at it yet but only feature it has that Mapsource doesnt is 3D visualisation (I think). Mapsource, which can be used with Oztopo and Shonky (and Garmin Topo) etc, does everything else you should need. I suppose advantage of BaseCamp is that it is supplied free though I am lead to believe you can get a legitimate version of Mapsource for nothing as
well (see gpsaustralia
forum ..or do search here). I do note there is also a Mac version of BaseCamp which I suppose is handy.
Maybe your question is what is the best map set?. Garmin Topo has autorouting (for roads not tracks) so maybe that is a bonus - Oztopo doesnt. I have not seen Garmin Topo first hand but from what I have heard it has less tracks shown than Oztopo. Whether this is signifciant or not would depend on which tracks are missing, how many are missing, if they actually exist and if you would ever go there I suppose. Personal issue. There maybe some tracks on Garmin Topo that arent on Oztopo - big place Australia - doubt if anyone has compared both over full extent.
OziExplorer is a GPS mapping program so no surprise it doesnt work with Basecamp...which is another gps mapping program. Many different maps/airphotos (raster format) can be used with OziExplorer - difficult to compare to Mapsource/Basecamp.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:17
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:17
Hi Greg,
Basically a comparison between Oztopo and Garmin Topo Australia, Garmin topo in cheaper than Oztopo and seems to have more features just need a comparison between the two thanks.
Arthur
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:18
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:18
Greg
Package here today- will 'fiddle' with it tonite-
Many thanks
David
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Reply By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:42
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 13:42
Just rang
Jonny Appleseed Gps they sell both Oztopo and Garmin Topo Australia and they felt that the Garmin product was better. I'll be going down to
Melbourne in the next few days so I'll take my Garmin down for a demo. They have run out of DVD's and won't have the next supply until mid June, they only have it on SD cards, which I'll never buy!
Arthur
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Follow Up By: gpsoz - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:57
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:57
JA does not sell OZtopo so I can't see how they can say one is beter than the other.
cheers
brian
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 14:40
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 14:40
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 15:59
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 15:59
Thanks Doug.
Oztopo have more named streets than Garmin topo but its a wates if you can't set a route in Oztopo, I understand this might be available in Ver 3, might have to wait for it to come out. Doug seeing you have both which is more accurate. I also notice there are more POI in Garmin Topo which you could navigate too.
Arthur
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:50
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:50
Arthur
I think you will find the street naming similar - the examples Doug has provided are at 200m zoom - street name labelling changes at different zoom levels. My guess is that all the streets will be labelled once you zoom in past a certain point i.e I dont think it is an issue you should concern yourself with.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:57
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:57
Hi Greg,
Thanks for that I'll have a good look when I go to
Johnny Appleseed GPS in
Melbourne.
Arthur
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:25
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:25
Arthur
My choice would be the Garmin Topo, even over CN 2009, Both topo's have little faults , both don't show the full QAA line.
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:32
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:32
Hi Doug,
Thanks very much, it seems to be quite popular as Johnny Appleseed GPS doesn't have any DVD's available until mid June. One question are you able to import your tracks into Basecamp? I have a Nuvi 265 wt.
Arthur
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:52
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:52
Arthur
Import/export Tracks, Routes and waypoints.
trouble is I can't upload it to the GPS yet until I get my own copy ,
Both Topo's show all streets in my town at 100 zoom, same in
Birdsville but Garmin Base
camp also shows the Caravan Pk and
airstrip,
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 19:10
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 19:10
Thanks Doug
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Follow Up By: Inkbandit79 - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:04
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:04
Can the garmin load other maps or is it restricted like the Magellan? I was thinking of the VMS unit(Gonna buy Tomorrow as today is a Public Holiday In W.A.), the VMS can load maps from werever as long as you have the maps
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:09
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:09
Hi - yes Garmin and Magallen units will only use Garmin and Magellan format maps. I think you will find the VMS unit will require maps in a certain format as
well, totally dependant on what software the VMS unit will run. It will not be able to use maps from "werever". If you dont believe me I will you send some maps in a specific format from "werever" and I bet you as much as you like they will not work on the VMS unit (without even knowing what VMS unit you are talking about:)
Cheers
Greg
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Reply By: Grizzle - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 15:34
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 15:34
Have Garmin 276c and Oziexplorer running on a Palm pilot. Have been using Shonky maps on the Garmin and didn't think much of it(The Garmin). Bought TOPO Australia 2 weeks ago and went on 4WD Trip around Snowys last week.
Buchan, McKillops,
Delegate etc. All off road through small tracks. The Garmin knew exactly where we were and named all the tracks. It also layed in an excellent track file which follows tracks exactly. Oziexplorer is a bit vague when you are in the tight stuff (I was running the Ozi along side the Garmin). Now very impressed with Garmin and will be using it as my main GPS.
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Follow Up By: DesF - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 16:42
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 16:42
Have to agree with Grizzle, I have CN9 plus shonky, Tracks 4, Oz topo, and Garmin Topo , it appears to be the best of both worlds,
It has more street detail than CN9 in my town and all the small tracks, even navigates on all the dirt tracks except the crows feet ones, and Base
camp comes with it, you need the Disc version if you want to load it on your PC, but the SD card one can be used in any GPS unit
Cheers Des.
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:20
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:20
Hi Des,
Are you indicating that Garmin Topo is better than Oztopo.
Arthur
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:39
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:39
Grizzle stated "Oziexplorer is a bit vague when you are in the tight stuff "
As is your statement. OziExplorer is a gps mapping program. You cant compare a Garmin map product (eg Garmin Topo) to a gps mapping program - you must state what map you were using otherwise your statement is meaningless (except to point out the map you had loaded wasnt as good as Garmin Topo) - but what map was it? Its not a short coming of OziExplorer itself. There are many maps/airphotos you can use with OziExplorer. Some Ozi compatible maps are possibly better than Garmin Topo in certain areas..some are with out doubt worse.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: DesF - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:44
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:44
Hi Arthur, I like it better because it has all tha features of mapsource, as far as points of interest etc ,
I have to say I have not used Oz topo that much, but it has great city detail ( in Pirie it has all the lanes as
well as the streets) as
well as all the tracks,
we ride trail bikes a fair bit and it seems to have all the little tracks etc
I am thinking of getting it instead of CN 10 for my mates unit, I think it would be better value even though it is dearer.
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:51
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:51
Thanks Des.
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Follow Up By: Grizzle - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:23
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:23
I understand what you're saying Explorer. I was using the East Gipplsand Map. I have all of the Hema Maps on Disc and the Australian 4WD Raster Maps. I have been caught out a couple of times with the Oziexplorer over a few decent trips. (
Simpson Desert etc). Not knocking too hard but I will still now use Topo Australia as my main GPS.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:36
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:36
No worries - just pointing out the shortcomings will be with the map you chose to use in OziExplorer, not OziExplorer itself. You could come to the same conclusion while using a Garmin if you chose to use a mapset that doesnt have the detail you want. Not knocking your choice - Garmin + Garmin Topo is obviously a good option for your intended purpose.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 14:25
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 14:25
DesF
I don't think so, the software is registered to one gps unit only, just for an experiment I loaded it to an SD card , tried it in the gps and as I expected I could not unlock it because it's registered to somebody else's gps .
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Follow Up By: DesF - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 16:00
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 16:00
Hi ,Doug, yes the DVD version loaded onto the PC then copied to the card will only open once , but mate bought the SD version and that will work in any of the Nuvi's. but we weren't able to load it onto the PC from the card,
Luckily we have one of each so we all loaded the PC's from the disc.
Cheers Des.
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Reply By: The Explorer - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:42
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:42
Hello
It may also be helpful to state what device you plan on using the maps on. A high percentage of Garmin units come preloaded with a mapset such as CityNav or Garmin Topo. Do you already have a unit or are you planning on buying one?
Some
places also will preload oztopo though not sure of economics of it all.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: DesF - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:00
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:00
Hi Greg , sorry if I was not clear but I didn't mention Ozi explorer , I am not familier with that at all. Just Oz topo etc.
Cheers des.
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Follow Up By: DesF - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:09
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 18:09
Sorry forgot the bit about our units , I have a Nuvi 760 ( and aTom Tom ) and the mates has a Street pilot 6210, and a Nuvi 255w, and his brother has a nuvi 660 and the other one has a Street pilot C510. so we have been trying it out a bit. one has the sd card version so we have been trying it in them all,
Cheers Des.
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Reply By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:57
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 17:57
As a new user of Garmin Topo Aus the first thing I looked at in Mapsource was the area between William Ck and
Coober Pedy.
I'm a bit underwhelmed.
At 70 km zoom the only road marked is the Stuart H'way
Zooming from 70 km to 50 William Ck and the old railway disappear. They reappear, and tracks and roads like the Ood. appear, only at 3 km.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:42
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:42
Sigmund
If your going to drive around on tracks and roads at 70Klm zoom then you might as
well get OziExplorer, best to have your GPS set at around 300/500 m if you need to look a little further then 3 or 5 Klm should be fine , that will show you around 25 Klms of road ahead ,
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:52
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:52
Doug, for planning a given day's possibilities I find it helpful to scan the big picture before selecting a route.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:04
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:04
Sigmund
Well if you can't see it all in the head , like a map in the mind then it might be better if you used a paper map, I'm sorry if my comment sounds harsh, it's not meant to be , I guess for me i find it hard to accept that others can't see maps like I do, I flash my mind around Oz and can pictures of highways ,tracks etc, and it all began at primary school and as time went on I if someone said
Oodnadatta or most other little towns and larger cities I could instantly put my finger on it and if the town has a radio station name it too ie like
Griffith - 2RG or
Berri - 5RM, etc
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:28
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:28
The OP was about how good Garmin Topo Aus was.
What I found raises questions for me about the vectoring algorithm.
If in Mapsource to see
Coober Pedy and William Ck in the same frame and then have to zoom in 8 times to see what if any road linked them is typical, then as I said I'm underwhelmed.
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:51
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:51
Just used MapSourse and Shonky maps and you can have both
Coober Pedy and William CK in the same frame with all the linking roads, but not so if I use Garmin NT 2009.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:59
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:59
"If your going to drive around on tracks and roads at 70Klm zoom then you might as well get OziExplorer"
Good one Doug - flash back to the past, anyway it is possible, using
Oziexplorer, to zoom in and show individual trees, if you have an airphoto at good resolution (better than Google Earth in some areas so if you want example use google..or get back to me).
OziExplore will show as much detail as any Garmin software...as long as you have a suitable map/airphoto loaded.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:05
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:05
Strolling further south: the road is bitumen through
Hawker up to
Lyndhurst and it doesn't show either between 3 and 70 km zoom so it's not simply a matter of road status.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:30
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:30
Vectoring is diff in Basecamp. Have to zoom to 700m to get detail. Maybe cos it's made to communicate with a handheld. Better get out the Nuvi and see what it shows.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:51
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 20:51
I have many people say that this track or some other road is not shown on their GPS , One of the first things a user should do as soon as you get the unit and or have the software on the PC is do this setting , on the Nuvi it's called MOST and on the PC it'll be HIGHEST, that setting will show a lot more than MEDIUM will ,
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To do the setting on the Nuvi GPS touch in sequence TOOLS / SETTINGS / MAP / MAP DETAIL and set it to MOST.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:19
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:19
Yeah mate. Did that.
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Follow Up By: KennyBWilson - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:55
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 21:55
Dougy , why don't you use the normal Mapsource program to view Topo Aus instead of Basecamp
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:49
Monday, Jun 01, 2009 at 22:49
Kennyyyy
Because I don't have garmin Topo Plus , I get the OzTopo contour overlay on Mapsource in the GPS but not on the PC , BaseCamp is different software, once I get my copy of Basecamp I will install it to the GPS, The software on my PC is registered to another Owner and GPS ,
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Follow Up By: KennyBWilson - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:30
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:30
hat i meant was those screen shots you took , the CN2009Nt and TopoOz were from mapsource version 6.13 were the Garmin topo Aus v2 was from using Basecamp, you can view all of the Maps from using the m,apsource 6.15.
Also i don't think you can download Basecamp onto the GPSr. but by using the Oregon or Colorado you can see the maps in 3D mode
Basecamp is soo slow to use
I'm glad you mentioned about the maps on Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:57
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:57
Basecamp speeds up on my puter when the 3D view is turned off ... only takes about 5 mins to get through 3 mouse clicks.
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Reply By: Grizzle - Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:36
Tuesday, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:36
One thing to bear in mind whichever system you use, paper maps are invaluable!! They are give you the perspective of where you are and also the long view of where you are going, rather than zooming the GPS. I zoom the GPS just enough so I can see the immediate vicinity then use paper maps or maps printed from electronic copies (Better in my view as I can load track files and Waypoints before printing). plenty of waypoints so you always have one in view and I find this helps heaps. I print out the maps on A4 at the scale of the map, fit them in a plastic wallet in the order I need them and then I can flick over easily.
Cheers
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