Road Toll up on last Year, Not to much involment with 4wds.

Very true!, Wouldn't it be nice to have some fairdinkum statistics at times!..lol.


Cheers Axle.

Hi Maric .

Over the years a number of people have quoted on statistics, I can't remember who said what, but consider these quotes;

1 There are Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

2 There are two kinds of statistics, those you look up, and those you make up.

3 Statistics are a bit like a drunk and a lamppost, used for support rather than illumination.

Road Safety groups are very selective in choosing what statistics they use, otherwise their interpretations collapse into fallacy.

Just my opinion.

Disco.

disco
A litttle like the Global warming BS going on all over the media , with Alice Springs recently recording the coldest day on record, anyone interested in the subject do a search on Ian Plimer,

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"Global warming BS"

My understanding is that Global Warming refers to the overall earths temp - not that at any one location. On average, it is predicted that, some places will get hotter, some will stay the same, some will get colder - but overall the average temp of the earth will rise. Quoting records from one location is meaningless and actually illustrates what the guys are pointing out in this thread - you can put a spin on stats to suit your own agenda if you so desire.

Cheers
Greg

Greg
Don't forget ...your last comment goes both ways,

Of course, that is obvious - I wasn’t providing support for or against the global warming issue (this issue is actually irrelevant to my post). Just pointing out, that your post appeared to me to be an example of how statistics can be used for a set agenda. To clarify - You can’t quote the temperature at one location of the earth from one day in the Earth’s history and use it as proof for or against Global Warming. If you wanted to use statistics for this purpose you would need measurements from as many locations as possible over as long a time period as possible.

Cheers
Greg

While you do your research on Ian Plimer, also check out the rebuttal of his arguments from his colleagues. His book seems to make the same error that most sceptics of climate change make. Just because climate has always been in a state of flux and because lots of factors have resulted in climate, the conclusion is drawn that what is happening now is no different. It is. What is different now is that the speed of change can only be compared to major impact events in the past. (a few hundred years is almost the same as an impact in terms of geological age because it is not nearly long enough for species to adapt). Major impact events have always been disastrous. Doug has some good info on this on his site.

G/day young Fella! , Hope i've got the right exploder here?...lol. (The fast ford man} God only knows what will come into play with this road safetey thing?!!!.


Cheers Axle.

yep still troll around on hear occasionally

Thou the Fast Ford now sits next to a... (washing mouth out with soap) Toyota 4WD LOL

Don't get to use the toys much, spend too much time on mine sites, last time i looked they had a film of dust on em, My 80yo Grandfather thought he would help me out by giving the Falcon a run and got a speeding fine, brought him a radar detector and told him he was a Hoon, hahaha.

Personally I believe the restrictions on more powerful vehicles is a toal misinterpretation of the problem.

I was riding 850cc and 1000cc bikes when the 250cc ruling came in for younguns.

Those little 250cc buzzboxes had more sting around town than what I was riding ... and almost the same top speeds in some cases.

Its the mindset that has to be changed ... and in a world now where extreme sport / take it to the limit lifestyles are promoted by every media means possible ... thats not a likely scenario.

If one kid who applied for a learners permit knew that, under heavy braking at speed with the wheels turned ... that the front end of a car would nosedive and the vehicle could possibly somersault ... I would be very surprised.

Thats the sort of knowledge that should be imparted on youth ... not how many gazillion different types of give way signs are ... and what the fine is if you cant remember what they all look like.

"I was riding 850cc and 1000cc bikes when the 250cc ruling came in for younguns.

Those little 250cc buzzboxes had more sting around town than what I was riding ... and almost the same top speeds in some cases. "

Sounds like you're confusing engine capacity limitations with power to weight limitations. I'm an ignorant Western Australian, where we still have the 250cc limit. But I believe that over east they base it on power to weight?

I've also read a few threads about younger people not being able to have the turbo-charged versions of some of the sports cars, but don't know any of the details.


Another thing I've been wondering, is that if you restrict the power until people are say... 21 or 25... do they suddenly become mature and used to the power, having not been allowed to drive them before? Part of learning how to drive with power, is being allowed to drive with power.

I dont think Im confusing anything ... At the time a Govt ruling came in that there would be a 250cc limit imposed on new licensees / inexperienced riders.

If it had anything to do with power to weight ratios and performance levels ... Im sure our astute leaders would not have implemented such a useless scheme in the first place.

What todays bike rules are ... I have no idea ... but I doubt any commonsense has been applied to them either.

Vehicle type / model restrictions for learners is great for the economy ... it means in lots of cases that mum and dad have to go and buy another, extra vehicle just for juniors driving lessons ....... Its sad that the policy makers dont understand the difference between a turboed subaru WRX and a turboed farm work truck.

This comment is pretty spot on.

>"Another thing I've been wondering, is that if you restrict the power until people are say... 21 or 25... do they suddenly become mature and used to the power, having not been allowed to drive them before? Part of learning how to drive with power, is being allowed to drive with power."<

It also casts doubts on the 80kph learner limits ... At 80kph there is almost no need to use brakes or think ahead in regard to cornering procedures on 100kph stretches of road ... One can just blunder along as if in a railway carriage.

Not too mention overtaking procedures ... Or the boredom invoked on a 440klm round trip to BigW.

As with your comment ... I wonder these skills will suddenly become second nature once they get to 100kph class licensing ???