To what size are the 4wd wagons going to get to, in say another Ten years?

Submitted: Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 21:16
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Toyota and Nissan have been creeping away from other manufactures in regard to the size of the wagon their selling.

Have heard the odd comment about the 200series Toyo being too truck like!, Personally i don't think they need to go any bigger, the 100s is a comfortable size for all ocassions. There is a lot of SWMBOS out there driving these things as well , and parking down the local shopping centre can be a bit of a pain? , or should i say getting out!! is the pain. Aren't i a good boy to-night
sticking up for the other half..hahahaha!.

Cheers Axle.







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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 21:46

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 21:46
I agree with you that they are getting too big.
But the sales figures show that the Prados, Klugers and Hiluxes are now the big sellers - not the 200series. So the customers agree with you too!
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:16

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:16
True Phil, But in comparison to the previous models they all seem to keep growing...lol. , Like the new Susuki Vitara is the same size as the early Pajeros!.


Axle.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:20

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:20
this is not a new thing
- the current corolla is about the size of my old camry and the new camry is far bigger than any family vehicle my parents owned including the valiant
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:49

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:49
I read somewhere that the Corolla is bigger than an EH Holden.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Atta Boy Luther - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:38

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:38
I can fit 3 adults in the back of my wifes new corolla hatch easily .
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:47

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:47
I've seen a Yaris sitting next to an early Commodore at the lights - the Yaris looks bigger - sure its shorter, but its a lot taller and just as wide.

The corolla engines have gone from 1100cc to 1800cc over the last 40 years, and the power must have tripled. Its not a small car any more. They keep increasijng the size then slip in an all new small car.

Same with 4wds - used to be just LandCruisers - then they added the Prado then the RAV4. RAV4 has about the same space inside as my old 55series. Prados have the same space as the 80series.....etc
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Follow Up By: Atta Boy Luther - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:39

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:39
Its just like the wife . Big wide end . Seriously though the only letdown about the corrolla is the old antiquated 3 speed auto gearbox . There is no way i could fit in a 200 series what i fit in the troopy though .
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 15:00

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 15:00
Jim checked out an EH the other day, so small, sure they where not that small when I was a kid. lol
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 21:48

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 21:48
Yeah my hugs and kisses drives the 100 now and then but says it wouldn't want to be any bigger as it can be a bit difficult to park but otherwise feels very safe in it. i showed her some alternate ways of parking it( drive over parking islands/centre medians) rather than trying to get around them. the whack in the arm answered that one LOL! i have yet to drive a 200 to see how it compares to the 100 but i think it will feel heavier and not as easy to see out of but i may be wrong? as you say hopefully they dont get any bigger!
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:23

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:23
G/Day Paul, My Wife went from a subaru liberty to a 100s V8 petrol....lol.

Has done very well i must admitt,only a couple of dummy spits!..lol, but a reverse camera is on the agenda which would only be a fair thing.


Axle.

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Follow Up By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:31

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:31
Yep got one of them in mine as well as reverse sensors, it is a mirror mount and the camera is in between the wheel carriers(dual) and i have reverse lights under the rear bar to light the ground behind the vehicle, so it looks like daylight at night when reversing.
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:03

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 22:03
I have a 200; the suspension and ride are sensational. Vis is also great.

But I mainly use it for distance 4wd touring and boat towing.

The first time I tried to park it in my local shopping carpark was v. embarrassing to say the least, but things were made worse by the after mkt spare wheels carrier to be fair. If I have to park in the shops I choose the bay very carefully now.

My wife won't drive it in the metro.

Can't see them getting bigger because at this size scratching on the tracks is a significant problem.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 23:28

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 23:28
Hey Guys...what I did is buy my cook a fancy red sports car, " that she wanted... : ) " and I get to keep my troopy, but she loves that too...so for me it's win win.

The sports car, she uses for shopping and running around but for trips etc she comes with me in the beast.

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 23:31

Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 at 23:31
While there exists a tourism industry where people love to travel and tow Caravans over 18ft there will always be a market for a larger type vehicle to allow the towing of such Caravan 4x4 or not , the bigger the van the bigger the tow vehicle.

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Reply By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:11

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:11
They are built for a world market - not just Australia and in the USA they are still considered far too small compared with F250s, F350s, GMC, Chev 4x4s etc. Thats why Toyota has never really cracked the huge 4x4 USA market in any significant way. While we may they think they are big enough they will need to get bigger and more powerful yet if they want to penetrate the USA market and take on the 7 and 8 litre V8 diesels etc. I think Audi are soon to bring out a V12 turbo diesel in their Q9 SUV - because this is what the USA market demands - pure grunt. So I cant see the Landcruiser getting any smaller and the next model (300 series) may in deed be bigger and even more powerful.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:27

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:27
Partly agree but Toyota have US specific models to comptete with the big American 'pickups' and do it very well apparently. I'm talking the Tundra here as an example, which is more or less the same size as the Chev Silverado and F250.

I have the LC200 and it is big but I need the 3500kg towing ability so the choices are somewhat limited. SWMBO drives it fine but agrees it is too bloody big to take into shopping centre carparks. We use her car for that.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 15:05

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 15:05
Toyota camry is now the top selling model in the US. What got Gm etc into trouble was their relianance on the BIG trucks. This market has since dried up.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: happytravelers - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:23

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:23
Here's the future, a vehicle called the knight, about half as big again as a Hummer, only a limited first run of 100 have been built. I was sent some great photos of it in an email but try as I might I can't work out how to get photos from an email into this thread reply. The most I could manage is the specs.
Regards Jon








---- Specifications ----

Price $310,000 Production 100
Engine 6.8 liter V10 Weight --
Aspiration -- Torque 498 lb-ft
HP 400 hp HP/Weight --
HP/Liter 58.8 hp per liter 1/4 mile --
0-62 mph -- Top Speed --
Comparison of KNIGHT with HUMMER..
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Reply By: lancie49 - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:47

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:47
They are rather large, but just 'The Thing' to get you a spot in the Aldi carpark.

http://www.nextconceptcars.com/concept-cars/conquest-knight-xv-hummer-be-afraid/


Hhmmm, wonder what my X Trail's worth against one ovem.........?
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:49

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:49
An interesting thing to ponder. If the wagon types get any bigger, and heavier, some consideration to increasing their legal carrying capacity will need
to occur. Hard to believe that the 200 can be easily made illegal in this dept.
I see retailers advertising GVM upgrades but hard to swallow that something that already costs a motza needs such upgrades to be legal for many users.
The "Little" 4bys are growing with every new model & may be also likely to
infringe in this way. Do 4 big blokes overload a Rav 4 ? I dont know, must be
close.....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Monday, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:11

Monday, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:11
The issue of the 200 having a small payload has been done to death and it would have been nice to have more...,. like in the US where it's GVM is 3800kg with the same suspension as here...go figure, thats 500kg more than Aus. Blame the ADRs for that.

But...to put the debate over the 200 payload into perspective, it has more or less exactly the same as the 100 and about 50kg more than the legendary Patrol, the owners of which like to stick it into 200 owners over the payload....!!!!
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:54

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:54
Hey? Sticking up for the women ya reckon?
The way I read it, you're bagging them....saying that women arent capable of driving large vehicles as well as blokes. My Mum drove buses for years!!! She would have your nuts for infering women need smaller cars! And my Mrs throws the Totota around the shopping centres better than a lot of blokes...then there is my Daughter who could drive since she was 10......
I dont know about sticking up? You probably need to try sucking up.

LOL
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 17:20

Sunday, Jun 21, 2009 at 17:20
Funny this thread has come up, because only last week, coincidentally parked next to one another in a Sydney suburb were 2 x Minnies. One from the 60s and the modern version. The new one looked enormous and twice the size and the old one comically small and very close to the ground. I remember my sister had one for her first car and we thought there was heaps of room inside, especially for a small car. The two axles were pushed so far back and forward it did actually allow for a pretty decent size interior. Relatively speaking.
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