black wolf tent question

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Interested in purchasing a black wolf tent due to the ease of putting them up. Are they water proof without the fly?

I assume so because the fly doesn't cover all the sides of it but rather be 100% sure first.

Want to know so if we are staying for one night and just a chance of drizzle / light rain I don't need to bother with it.

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Reply By: chisel - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:23

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:23
Do a search - this has been discussed before.
We got a little water in through a couple of seams near the top (not the side windows) when we had rain without the fly on. Not too bad but I'm inclined to always use the fly now. I have a 300 lite plus - others might be different, especially if canvas.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:25

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:25
Yes, looking at the canvas one.

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Reply By:- Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:25

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:25
I have a Black Wolf tent, but always have the fly on, so can't answer your direct question.

It takes literally seconds to throw the fly over and click it into 4 points, so I don't think you would be saving that much time by leaving it off. I rarely tie the fly down with the ropes provided - perhaps that is what you think might take some time.

The whole tent is extremely easy to erect and the saving of 10 seconds in the whole scheme of things will not make any difference.


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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:27

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 13:27
yep good point. You have the canvas one? Happy with it?
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Reply By: Member - cuffs (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 14:07

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 14:07
I have the Polyester fabric as it is not canvas, I leave the fly on all the time even when packed back in the bag, on putting up I only have to clip in the 4 clips by the Poles.

A bit more about tents
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 15:40

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 15:40

Another vote for the Turbo tent. I have been lucky with mine in that I have only ever camped in light drizzle but I have no need to doubt that it won't measure up in rougher conditions ... but don't tell people with Freedom tents that you have a Black Wolf.

This is a true story I have a witness

I was in Melbourne last week on holiday and found myself wandering past the Freedom shop on I think Elizabeth street on the outskirts of the city. Being a camping shop nut and knowing how well regarded the Freedom name was I went in for a look. A man came up, i explained I was a tourist from WA and was just wanting to look at the famous Freedom shop. He told me that there was only one decent camp shop in Perth and that was the bloke who sold his stuff (in Balcatta I think) and I really should go there etc.

It was getting a bit tiresome so in a bid to cut him off I said I already had a tent. What type? Black Wolf. Why did you buy that the are rubbish. Why didnt you buy a canvas tent? Well I found them a bit expensive, I know yours are good but I really couldn't afford one.

Well away he went, Black Wolf are crap made in china the zips are no good you will be lucky to get two years out of it I know they are easy to take up abnd put down but I have customers coming in all the time with problems they are having with with that rubbish.

I initially thought this was some kind of joke but he went on and when I walked out of the shop he was still going.

I have heard that freedom make excellent tents and in different circumstances might have considered them, but now I have met that bloke I have to wonder. There are ways of dealing with people who have bought a competitor's product but I wouldn't have thought that was one of them



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Follow Up By: psproule - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:04

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:04
Our original Turbo 300 (not the lite) has performed wonderfully for over 9 odd years now. In that time it has weathered some fairly hefty storms and gale force winds that other tents lost their lives to.

To answer the original question - yes, they are waterproof without the fly. I recently re-proofed ours, more as a precaution than having had it leak. I paid particular attention to the seams.

We leave our fly on too - just unclip at the legs before we fold it. I prefer not to leave the fly off as many times I have been caught in the middle of the night when the wind has come up and I have needed to run the guy ropes out, and these are a part of the fly. I just put them up as a precaution now when we are travelling in the High Country. Didn't bother across the desert where the weather is a bit more predictable.

Another thing to mention is that the importer / wholesaler of these tents has provided wonderful parts and backup support. The first tent had a small tear in the top, and when I questioned this (expecting them to repair it) they rushed a full replacement to me. Also, the early Turbo Tents used plastic knuckles that proved to not be up to the job if the tent was folded up incorrectly. They contacted all owners and replaced all the knuckles with new alloy units for free. I broke another one (my fault) and they also replaced that for free.

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Follow Up By: tim_c - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:49

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:49
Rocco, there are plenty of sales people around who will unashamedly go on and on bagging out a competitors product - like the R&R Beadbreaker guy at the Sydney 4WD show a couple of years back telling me how inferior and useless the tyrepliers were. I didn't agree with the way he'd arrived at that conclusion but kept my mouth shut - I didn't want to waste the whole day being lectured about an allegedly inferior product! If his product is so good, why didn't he tell me that, instead of just bagging the other product?! :)

It also reminds me of the unprofessional rant on the Waeco website (unless they've changed it) going on and on about factory car wiring being "pathetically small and hopelessly inadequate for the task" of running a fridge... I'm sure it's true, but there are professional ways to communicate it!
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 16:58

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 16:58
Gidday again

Sorry ... i didnt really make my point there about the fly ... too busy reliving and laughing about the price of Freedom ...

I wouldn't use the tent without the fly unless there was 100 percent guarantee it wasnt going to rain. Like others say, it only takes a little while to put on.


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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:17

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:17
thanks for that. Looks good so will try and find a place in Adelaide which has the room to display these. Lots of suppliers in Adelaide but only a few with a large enough floor space to put up tents.
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Follow Up By: RobAck - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:29

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:29
Go to Snowy's at Richmond Road Mile End. They always have them on display and have plenty of room to show you how to put them up and down again. Along with very helpful staff rather than just sales staff.

We purchased our BW Turbo 240 from them several years back and can vouch for its reliability and ease of use. Being able to pack it up smaller than an Oz Tent also means it goes in our rear storage area rather than having to lift it on and off the roof every day we move. Another plus

Apart from that we hardly ever use the fly, regardless of weather.

if you go to the BW website they have a very good video of putting them up and down which explains it all quite clearly

We have around 10 clients who have seen ours and then purchased one themselves. They have all gone for the canvas version as it breathes better


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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:46

Tuesday, Jun 30, 2009 at 17:46
Yep, ditto all that. Our Turbo 240 is great, never a leak except where i nicked the floor. I don't leave the fly on when packing away and it is so easy to put on when erecting the tent. Good product, forget that rubbish the salesman told you. Ours has already done 3 years and is as good as new.
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Reply By: johannagoanna - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 08:14

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 08:14
We had one of the original Black Wolf Turbo tents (the ones that have fabric like canvas, not the never more poly ones) and loved it. It was purchased second hand, but had hardly been used. We changed that with 2 years worth of use (at least twice a month).

The fly is meant to be removed when packing up, but we found that by unclipping 2 corners that it could be folded up easily with the fly in place. That made setting up and packing up even easier than it already was! The only issue that caused however was condensation between the fly and tent, so we had to be sure to take the fly off and dry the tent out if there was condensation.

As for water proof, we had ours in some hugh rains and the only time it leaked was through the floor. When we got home and went over it with a torch, we found some little holes and taped them up, after that fine. Yes, we were probably a bit slack and were not careful enough with clearing the ground before we put down the ground sheet. We never, ever had any leaks from anywhere.

The tent has now been sold to friends (now its third owners), as we have graduated to a rooftop tent!

On the negarive side, the initial owner of our Black Wolfe bought a newer one, with the extension, and ended up taking it back. They were very disappointed in the quality of finish in comparison to the original canvas like one. The second drawback is that they are bulky to carry, and really don't fold up small at all! LOL, but everything has a negative!!

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Reply By: Gossy - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 09:14

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 09:14
thanks everyone for the very informative feedback. I will go down to Snowys and have a look. measuring it out with a tape measure last night and it's surprising how large the 240 is but seeing the 240 and 300 erected and packed up will be very useful.

Again thanks and yet again this forum has shown how useful this site is for everyone :)

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Reply By: jimbamb - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:31

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:31

We have just got home from a six weeks trip including the Goog Track and the Simpson Desert using our Black wolf, had no trouble at all but always put the fly on, had only a few showers and it showed no sign of any leaks. We used an old carpet square on the floor which protected the flooring and kept it a bit warmer as the weather was cool. We are both 60 plus and found it very easy and quick to assemble. Regards Kay

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Follow Up By: Gossy - Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:33

Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:33
good news! Looks all positive for the black wolf tents.

Hope you had a great trip. Just got back from Innamincka/Coongie/Cooper Creek ourselves. Found the traditional dome tent with fly (large one) just takes too long to setup and take down. Nothing wrong with the tent as such, just takes too much time when there is better things to do around the camp spot :)

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