colorado owners 3ltd

Submitted: Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:19
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hi,

Im having huge problems with my cutch with my colorado its at holden now and they are saying that its becouse of my tyers saying that there is too much friction but they are the same size width but tiny bit higher they are P265/70R16 112T stock they come with 245/70/R16 if they fix it this time it will be the 3rd clutch and its not even 12 months old yet so i need alot of help from other owners that have been having the same dramas so i can take it further

cheers
shane
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Reply By: DMH122 - Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:36

Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:36
Hi i have not had the same problem, but i have come across this problem, get the dealer to check your slave cyl for contamination inside the rubber boot covering the piston, and ask them to check there techlines.
Cheers hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: shaneo86 - Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:44

Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:44
they have replaced the slave cylinder before and the clutch and the clutch assembley i had to get it towed in on a sat morning as it was crunching the gears the 2 clutch that went did the same thing and wen they pulled it apart they found heat spots on the fly wheel and clutch plate and alot of heat rust on the clutch so they replaced the clutch and then in the carpark after getting my keys went to change it into R and no go fully stuck so they had to break somthing to get it to realse fixed it and now doing the same thing wen it was starting to go before shuttering and so on
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Reply By: Member - Cozzie Toodyay(WA) - Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:44

Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:44
Gee Shane I hope I don't have to go through all that with them, my Colorado has a clutch problem as well it makes a rattling sound I'm waiting on a replacement, what is going on with your clutch?

Cozzie
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Follow Up By: shaneo86 - Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:55

Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 22:55
oh...welcome to hell,

first upp slave cylinder and clutch that was the first problem , 2nd time had to go back to get it adjusted wasnt feeling normal, 3rd time really hard to push in found slave cylinder and clutch assembley, back again for adjustment , stuck in dubbo for 8hrs clutch smell really really bad dubbo didnt know wat to do to far from home for RACQ or holden to send me home or hire car so drove with a "iffy clutch".

got back to my dealer took inspection plate off black dust came out cleaned it out put back on said ok to drive.. drove for about a week i think it was started to shutter fed upp with my dealer took it to different one found clutch had the heat spots and so on new clutch... stuck in the holden carpark wouldent come out of 1st something had to be broken for it to come out of 1st. now clutch was shuttering same as the 1st and 2nd time now blaming my size of tyers "Bull s" they are taller not wider they are pirelle ATR's higher not wider same friction so now im taking it to RACQ and higher i want new clutch and gear box as even the manager said wen him and i took my car for a drive oh 3rd doesnt feel right its......buggerd
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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 23:09

Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 23:09
Not sure that I follow your logic re the tyres.
Wouldn't 265/70/16 be 20mm wider and 28mm(dia) taller than 245/70/16 ?
Certainly your clutch would be working harder to turn these.

Cheers
Glenn
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Reply By: Member - Brian R (WA) - Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 23:06

Monday, Jul 06, 2009 at 23:06
Hi Fellow forum goers

So here we have another lemon modern vehicle. The other day it was a Nissan...almost new giving problems and now Holden...let us all keep this in mind if we go looking at new trucks AVOID AVOID them both
We deserve better from these manufactures
Brian R
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 01:34

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 01:34
Brian,
You said it, "ANOTHER lemon vehicle".
Every make and model has, at some time or other, had a few vehicles that could be described as lemons.
Even the so called fabulous/perfect Toyota's, (just ask the owners) have had a goodly number of recalls and a number of vehicles that were absolute duds that spent more time in workshops than on the road.

We all know that Nissan have a problem with the ZD30 motor, that Ford had problems with some Explorers, Toyota had front diff problems with some IFS Landcruisers and Landrover had problems with electronics on some units.
Once these issues are sorted there are no more problems. even with the much ridiculed Landrovers.

As an aside, when aftermarket mods are fitted (tyres and wheels in particular) these will place extra loads on all transmission components with increased possibility of failure.

Just because one vehicle has it's problems there is no need to tar them all with the same brush.

Just my thoughts.

Disco.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 07:14

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 07:14
shane,

Can't help with your problem as I have an auto transmission, but one thing has me intrigued.

Why did you need to change from the standard Dueler D693's in such a short period of time?

Bill.

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Reply By: Member - Peter D M - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 07:15

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 07:15
hi shane,
i am on my 4th rodeo currently i have an 2004 3lt on the last 2 over 8 years i have fitted 265/75-r16 from new. never had any clutch problems. the RA has done 120k carefull takeoffs are needed as these tyres are 50mm taller.
regards peter
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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 08:28

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 08:28
The idea that the taller tyre may be causing the clutch issue is laughable, and indicative of a very uninformed dealer service centre.

The height difference between the 245/70 and 265/70 is 70% of 20mm... thats all, then divide that by half again due to the vehicle axle height being centre of the tyre..

The bigger difference is in the rolling diametre between the 245 and 265/70 tyre, but thats a non argument, as changing gears has a similar effect, and a gearbox is a torque multiplier from 4th gear (direct drive) down to 1st gear, and a torque reducer in an overdrive gear to the drive wheels.

As long as you are not doing traffic light grand prix's, or resting your foot on the clutch during travel, I don't see you abusing the clutch/pressure plate.

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Follow Up By: tim_c - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:26

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:26
That's what I was thinking - if it can't turn a slightly larger tyre, how's it ever going to tow anything?!
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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 19:58

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 19:58
Quote "The idea that the taller tyre may be causing the clutch issue is laughable, and indicative of a very uninformed dealer service centre.

The height difference between the 245/70 and 265/70 is 70% of 20mm... thats all, then divide that by half again due to the vehicle axle height being centre of the tyre.. "




The mathematics here is laughable, and indicative of a very uninformed poster :-)
You are correct with the 70% of 20mm (which equals 14mm), but you then have to DOUBLE IT, which brings it to 28mm, or 3.6% difference.
If you don't believe me, punch the numbers into this calculator and see for yourself:

Tyre Size Calculator

This is a significant difference, and would certainly contribute to what I imagine is probably poor driving habits to cause premature clutch failure.


Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 20:37

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 20:37
3.6% is significant?! It's no worse than carrying a 65kg passenger in a 1,800kg vehicle! If that's going to cause the clutch to wear out in 20,000km instead of 200,000km then me and the Mrs are starting a 'catwalk-model diet' tonight!
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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 21:14

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 21:14
Enjoy your diet :-)

Cheers
Glenn
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Reply By: Member - Cozzie Toodyay(WA) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 09:45

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 09:45
I realy enjoy my Colorado even with a rattling clutch Holden will fix it no big deal, I certainly would not call it a lemon not at this stage.

Cheers
Cozzie
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Reply By: tim_c - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:42

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:42
There are so many variables that determine the lifespan of a clutch, one of the most significant factors (but not the only factor) is the way they are treated...

I often see people 'holding' the vehicle in position with the clutch (instead of the brake) when stopped at traffic lights and I always think to myself "Their clutch won't last long". With many Navara and Colorado owners complaining about their clutches wearing out, it begs the question - are these just the people who are afraid to use the handbrake (for anything other than parking), or is there really something wrong with the clutches in these vehicles?
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Follow Up By: Member - Cozzie Toodyay(WA) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:01

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:01
Handbrake man myself easy on the clutch and it still developed a rattle at only 30000k, my clutch is not worn out just spring chatter apparently, I had a 1993 Rodeo from new 300,000k not a problem makes ya wonder
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Reply By: Custom Boat Loaders- Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 18:06

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 18:06
We have a Dec 2008 Colorado - had a clutch replaced at 14,900KS - leaking rear main oil seal. 1 month and 2000ks later it's shuddering in 1st gear again.

We have standard tyres as they came off the factory floor.

We don't rest our feet on the clutch - it was insinuated it was our driving - Bill has a C class WA license, I was a driving instructor and both driven taxies - and NEVER in all our vehicles had a burnt clutch!

The vehicle is booked in Thursday to have the clutch checked again - fingers crossed as heading to Cape York.

Dian
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Follow Up By: Member - Effie C (NT) - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 19:57

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 19:57
Did they really fix the rear main seal? If not then there is your answer to why your clutch is shuddering again
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Follow Up By: shaneo86 - Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 21:54

Tuesday, Jul 07, 2009 at 21:54
ok,

bring these people into it holden customer relations 1800 033 349 ask to talk to the qweensland rep ask them to look in the bell housing.. tell them that you know of someone in queensland that has been having these problems as well my car has done the same amount of ks as yours i have been down to threadbow got stuck at dubbo for 8hrs and got told to keep on driving..

take your car to WA version of RACQ get them to do an inspection holden dont want to know about this problem. they even tryed to blame the holden floor matts that i was given from zupps. they have tryed to blame my driving as well asked if im towing over 3 tons.....on WAT tow bar ahhaha havent got one as yet get them to look at your bushes more so 2nd gear i had a dry bush in 2nd.
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Follow Up By: Custom Boat Loaders- Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:51

Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:51
We're in Cairns at the moment before leaving for Cape York, hence our concerns.

Where are you?
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Follow Up By: shaneo86 - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 15:12

Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 15:12
i am in the brisbane area you need to make sure that dealer knows about this problem aye you car will be out of action for about 2 days as mine was
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