caravan security

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 18:35
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Can anyone advise or suggest a good way to secure a caravan left to trek to locations unsuitable for caravans? For example some side treks in the cape may not suit a van, albeit an off road one.

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Reply By: Roughasguts - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:07

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:07
Couple of nasty Dogs might do the trick! or hire a security guard.

Other than that if someone wan't to trash it, well can't see any way off stopping them.
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Reply By: Member - Johny boy (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:23

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:23
Hi Paul ,
I'm not sure if this helps but if there is a caravan park on the way you might think about asking if you could park it up ,I remember a bloke in our motorcycle club saying he payed about $5 a day to tuck his van in a corner in view of the office ant I think he was able to chain it to a tree as well as wedge it close to a shed or fence so the door cant be opened ,if you have a solar set up a normal car alarm will stay charged for some extra security just leave the remotes with the office ,if no C/P try the local publican as he might know of a cocky that might like a few $ to leave it in his barn or on his property ?

Just a thought :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul F (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:31

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:31
Good advice John - Ta

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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 20:26

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 20:26
Yep I will second those comments John. We are booked into a van park at Townville later in the year, but while in the area will be staying on Magnetic Island for a four days. The Van park will allow us to leave our vans (there are two of travelling together) on there site $5 per night if unoccupied & leaving the power connected. Sounds good to us. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Johny boy (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 20:41

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 20:41
Hi Barry,
Yeah that's sound really good this bloke didn't say it was a site just a parking spot but what your doing sounds great as you can keep the batteries charged if needed as well .

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Reply By: SPRINT-GTO - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:43

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:43
Have a look at the KLAMP-IT wheel lock.I carry one for the exact purpose you identified.
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Follow Up By: 12ian34 - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 21:26

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 21:26
unfortunately a wheel lock is no deterrant if the van is out of site... and if it cant be stolen someone is just as likely to turn around and set fire to it. Caravan park sounds like and excellant idea.
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Reply By: 12ian34 - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 23:03

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 23:03
...out of sight rather
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Reply By: Flywest - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:37

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:37
http://www.ezitrak.com.au/

Used to be an agent for them some years back - no affiliation now, apart from still having a couple of their alarms in boat and 4wd etc.

Quite simple, they work...one of the few hidden alarms thattracks your stolen property (van) and reports where it is via GPS and GSM mobile - as well as mobile phone towers!

It will call you if someone tampers with the van, breaks in to steal from it, or indeed even tows it away.

Even if outside mobile coverage when stolen, as soon as the van passes within range of a phone tower the unit will ring and sms you with its current location allowing you to tell the police exactly where it is in order to be recoveredand the thieves caught red handed.

The reason you need to take proper security precautions?

Because most other methods of protection involve some kind of "padlock" enclosed within a device to stop the wheel turning or the hitch being coupled etc etc.

Padlocks are a device that basically hasn't changed a lot in over 2 millennia.

They were in use in the dark ages - and 2 milennia latter still are. They are outdated technology.

The problem?

They rely on a key to open them!

Whats wrong with that?

[url]http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/bumpkeys.asp[/url]

Read about bump keys on snopes and learn.

[url]http://www.bumpkey.us/[/url]

Read about "sets" of "common key blanks" already cut as bump keys that will open 90% of all the locks in the world in less than 3 seconds.

Problem with this?

If the padlocks etc used in these devices, aren't found damaged by bolt cutters etc near bye - when you report the theft to police it is assumed that entry to the van, or unlocking of the padlock was achieved by a key holder or that the van or padlock wasn't locked.

Without sign of "forced entry" in a police report, a LOT of insurers will deny claims for loss, based on the fact that according to them (who don't acknowledge the existence of bump keys publicly) if access wasn;t gained by forced entry then either:-

A) A keyholder gained access to steal it (i.e. a member of your family)

or

B) It wasn't locked - hence you have abrogated a responsibility set out in your insurance about always locking it up when your not actually inside it or towing it.

So...

What no one seems to realize is that van door locks & padlocks etc are all outdated technology that won;t stop a prepared determined theif who has hisself a set of bump keys off the internet.

3 seconds with ANY lock including hitch locks and wheel clamps etc, the door of your c/van and your possessions or the van itself are long gone.

A padlock wheel clamp or hitch lock won't track down your van for you and ring you constantly to tell you its EXACT location.

You know the funniest thing?

Because the units are installed as a hidden tracking device there not visible to "show your mates the latest acquisition / purchase for "boasting purposes" - they are designed NOT to let the thief know they have just stole a whole heap of trouble.

I know people who will spend thousands of $ on toys for their 4wds and boats etc without batting an eyelid - yet - they won't spend a cent on protection of this kind - instead believing that in the rare event there's a theft. "my insurer will make me whole again".

After they have had something valuable stolen - and walked that particular rice paper trail with their insurer....and they get a replacement car boat or van - and end up well out of pocket from the exercise (excess payments only market value not replacement value and increased premiums on their new replacement toy THEN AND ONLY THEN will they spend the $ on such a tracking alarm.

My boat insurer allows me a "rebate" of a few hundred $ annually BECAUSE the boats fitted with the tracking alarm...6 years rebate covers the cost of buying and installing the alarm.

To me it's a "no brainer" - having worked in the security industry as a security officer - I've spent countless nights hiding inside homes under construction, private schools etc, waiting for the crooks to show up - and being seldonmm dissapointed.

When you see the actual level of theft / crime within our society, first hand and on a regular basis - you "realize" a few of the not published facts about theft.

Most thefts from our homes (over 80%) are by our neighbors who we never suspect & often trust & consider as no risk, or worse, by our own family members!

Those are industry facts, sadly enough.

Some people seem to swan thru life trusting everyone and not coming unstuck and maybe they are truly lucky or blessed.

The rest of us sooner or later will get done over.

Those who do use the new tracking technology can help make a difference because every perpetrator caught and jailed - isn't out there stealing from you or your family, friends & neighbors.

Best of luck with it.

Cheers



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Follow Up By: Member - Paul F (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 15:11

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 15:11
Thanks very much for your comprehensive and extemely valuable suggestions and examples Flywest.

We really appreciate the effort you went to.

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Follow Up By: Flywest - Friday, Jul 31, 2009 at 01:29

Friday, Jul 31, 2009 at 01:29
You are more than welcome Paul F.

Its a "pet issue" of mine - I lost (was the victim of theft of) an outboard motor when a teenager - that really upset me...and various other items since, I guess haven't helped the problem.

Only a few months back someone broke into our locked yard and attempted to steal our offroad M / bike we had advertised for sale.

I don't know about opportunism - this guy got the 2 new helmets and left and came back with bolt cutters to get the bike via cutting the lock.

More like determined the blighters are.

I did more work insecurity with hidden tracking devices in white goods delivered to building sites that disappeared with regularity every weekend, and broke a few "sophisticated/ well organized" theft rings that had gone unchallenged for years.

That was work on behalf of mostly insurance companies, who get sick of picking up the tab!

Tracking technology is the new weapon and it proves very effective.

So much so that the pro thieves who are now getting "clued up" about sich devices - now as a matter of course - take the stolen item somewhere close bye (to minimize time with it in their possession), and sit off, either in a vehicle or friends property / flat / industrial unit, drinking beer and eating pizza and keeping an eye on the item waiting to see if owners or police, come to recover it, most often for 24 hours!

If it doesn't draw the crabs - then they go hitch it up again and away they go, with a bit more confidence, that it isn't being tracked.

So - when something does get stolen, sometimes a quick (inside 24 hours) search of neighboring streets - cul de sacs, industrial suburbs etc will turn up the item just "sitting" - being watched!

After the first 24 hours if you haven't found it (and it isn't tracked) you can kiss it goodbye.

Best of luck with it, I hate injustice, and wish more people would work pro actively to bring the crooks undone.

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Reply By: Member - Paul F (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:42

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:42
Thanks to everyone for their advice - all good comments - we need to think a bit more.

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Follow Up By: Flywest - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:36

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:36
If my reply just causes you to think about things a bit deeper - then it was worth the phat phingers syndrome effort of typing it all out!

My suggestion to you is to do some research.

When you look at the ezi trak website - there should be a "news stories" page with reports about the most recent success cases where items of plant (often contractors machinery - backhoes and bob cats etc) are successfully recovered and the crims caught red handed.

Makes fascinating reading.

A few I copied below for your viewing entertainment.

STOLEN QUAD BIKE RECOVERED ARRESTS MADE

* WA Police were successful in recovering a stolen Quad Bike in suburban Perth in February 2007. The Quad Bike was stored in a shipping container and thieves used a bobcat to break into the container.
* Within seconds of the Quad Bike being stolen, the owner of the bike received a phone call from the bike to advise of the theft.
* How can a Quad Bike call its owner when it's been stolen? Easy ? when it has an EziTrak? GPS Security and Tracking System installed.
* Within seconds of the bike being tampered with, Mike Jones (the owner of the bike) received a phone call on his mobile from the EziTrak? unit in the bike to advise of the theft.
* With the help of EziTrak?'s WA distributor Ashley Electrical, Mike was then able to track the bike and get its location to within 6 metres. Police were advised of the location of the stolen Quad Bike. The bike was recovered and arrests made in relation to this and other matters. The bike's owner Mike Jones said;
* ?This is the first time that I've had a stolen item returned to me. To know that the thieves have been arrested is just a bonus!?
* A good result all round! Our EziTrak? customer got his stolen Quad Bike back and the police made arrests. All this from an EziTrak? which can be installted for around $1,300!

GPS BEATS SPEEDING FINE
View ACA Video

URGENT PRESS RELEASE
AUSSIE MADE GPS DEVICE BEATS NSW POLIC

* Sydney driver Michael Simotas was charged with speeding by police officers using a handheld radar, allegedly doing 85 km/hr in a 60 km/hr zone.
* But Michael had a secret weapon in his car ? an EziTrak? GPS Security and Tracking System. Michael was able to download the black box from his EziTrak? unit which provided accurate, tamper-free data of the vehicle's traveling speed, position and direction.Through this data, Michael was able to prove that his vehicle briefly touched 61 km/hr at the time he was charged but was mostly traveling at 57 km/hr.
* During the subsequent case and appeal, a GPS expert gave corroborating evidence and attested to the accuracy of GPS and the inability to tamper with the data. This is the first case in NSW where GPS data has been admissible in evidence to contest the accuracy of police radar.
* So what is EziTrak?? EziTrak? is a security & tracking system which gives car and vehicle owners personalised, self-monitoring with no ongoing back-to-base fees. EziTrak? utilises GPS and GSM technology to give the owner instant tampering notification, control, tracking and emergency alert information over the phone.
* EziTrak? has an internal Black Box Recorder logging speed, position, time and date from 1 to 255 hours. This information can be downloaded to a PC and then played back on a moving map display. The data is accurate and cannot be tampered with.
* EziTrak? was designed by Sydney based company Rojone Pty Ltd. EziTrak? is manufactured in Australia and is sold throughout the country as well as being exported to the UK, USA and many other countries.


THEFT OF AUSTRALIA POST CONTRATOR VAN FOILED IN MINUTES BY EZITRAK

* July 2006 - In suburban Perth, a van being used for Australia Post deliveries was stolen and recovered by Police within the hour.
* The Mitsubishi van was doing a delivery in Morley when the vehicle was taken; the driver was not harmed. The van was driven for several kilometres before being remotely immobilised by the owner. The vehicle is fitted with a GPS tracking system, EziTrak?, which allowed it to be remotely immobilised in seconds.
* Unable to drive the van, the offender had no option but to abandon the vehicle.
* The EziTrak? GPS tracking system provided the location of the vehicle to within metres, allowing Police to retrieve the van. It is currently being examined by Forensics.
* The owner of the van, Rick O?Brien from Rick?s Rentals, is delighted to have his vehicle recovered with no damage and limited loss of income.
* The van is fitted with EziTrak?, an Australian designed and manufactured tracking and monitoring system for all types of vehicles. EziTrak? utilises GPS and GSM technology to give vehicle owners instant tampering notification, control, tracking and emergency alert information over the phone.

Article from The West Australian - July 26, 2006


BOBCAT EXCAVATOR RECOVERED LESS THAN 24 HOURS AFTER BEING STOLEN!

* July 2006 - late in the working day, a Bobcat excavator was stolen from a construction site on The Gold Coast, Queensland. The vehicle was fitted with an EziTrak, and we were able to assist the owners access the GPS log from the black box to see the movements of the vehicle.
* First thing the next morning, local police and detectives turned up at the site which was full of containers. Each container was opened until the stolen Bobcat excavator was found! The new "owner" had purchased it the night before for $10,000 cash - considerably less than the Bobcat excavator was worth.
* Police are now investigating and hope to lay charges soon, thanks to EziTrak.


EXCAVATOR RECOVERED - STOLEN FROM SITE
MAY 2006 - SYDNEY AUSTRALIA.

* Literally only days after Moving Dirt featured our Ezitrak? product in their publication, the same mini excavator was stolen. Thankfully, the Ezitrak? Plant product was installed and aided in the immediate recovery of the vehicle.

Moving Dirt Article http://www.ezitrak.com.au/pdf/SAF_stop_thief1.pdf

Research is the key - unless you understand the capability of the device there's no way to gauge its value -

The co deliberately DON'T splash its capabilities everywhere in the public domain because they don't want the crooks to know all the details.

Lots of these are sold to hire car co's who track your movements and kilometers travelled etc via downloading the black box contents via phone to see if you've travelled excess km's or been offroad requiring off road insurance etc - your credit cards already billed before you return the car - disconnecting the speedo no longer works to cheat the system!

Fleet managers can and do track your company car movements, if your goofing off at the beach not visiting your sales clients - the boss will know.

There's a lot of capabilities that unless you research you won't realise or comprehend.

Actually speaking with the company can be mind blowing when you understand it fully.

Cheers
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Reply By: Nargun51 - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:36

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:36
Paul

Just use a bit of common sense; would you leave a bag on the side of the road and expect it to be there the next day? Why is a caravan any different?

I’ve approached caravan parks to leave a boat and trailer; most will charge a peppercorn rent, others have offered it free of charge if I’ve spent a couple of days there

Once approached a local police station for any suggestions and was offered to leave it (appropriately chained and locked) on the vacant block next door. All care and no responsibility.

You can indulge yourself in professional paranoia, but nothing is going to stop somebody stealing something if they really want to, whether it be from a park, beside a Police Station or from your back yard.

Most thefts are opportunistic. Crims (as thick as most are) do a simple risk analysis before committing a crime; what are my chances of getting away with this and what are my rewards? The longer something takes or the more complex it is, the greater chance there is of being sprung; the more noise or physical effort required the greater the chance will be that someone will look in their direction

All you can really hope for is to slow them down a bit so they’ll get frustrated and move on and steal something else or force them to draw attention to themselves. In the middle of the bush, you give them both the time and the solitude they seek.

As with all travel, think three steps ahead and take sensible precautions, but remember, most accident happen in your own home
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 13:33

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 13:33
Place land mines or booby traps around the van.

Get a couple of vicoious Rottweilers or Dobermans.

Hire an armed security guard.

Place signs around your van saying it is quarantined as it is suspected of harbouring an infectious disease.

Surround the van with razor wire and low wire entanglements which could also be placed to maximise the use of the landmines.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 13:40

Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 13:40
Place land mines or booby traps around the van.

Get a couple of vicious Rottweilers or Dobermans.

Hire an armed security guard.

Place signs around your van advising that it is quarantined due to being suspected of harbouring an infectious disease like Swine Flu or the plague

Surround the van with razor wire and low wire entanglements which could also be placed to maximise the use of the landmines.
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