Jackaroo or similar
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luckymum
Hi everyone (new member here)
We are planning a trip around OZ next year, 2 adults and 3 kids aged 3, 6 and 8. I have a couple of q's about buying a suitable 4wd. We only have about 10k to spend, we dont want something as huge as a landcruiser as I will be driving it everday in the traffic after our return, we want something strong and decent, we need 7 seats. We were looking at the Jackaroo however after test driving a 2000 model today my husband wasnt so sure it had enough power. Can someone please answer the following questions:
* Could the Jackaroo tow the Jayco Expanda or Swan?
* Can the rear seats actually come off to create more room or do they just fold up to the side?
* Is it a petrol guzzler?
* Is there an option to convert it to gas?
* What are the Jackaroo's negatives?
Also can anyone recommend another car that we could consider? Not a patrol, pajero or landcruiser though.
Thanks in advance for any replies.....
Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 20:31
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 20:31
Re the Jack....the whole rear
seat setup comes out readily by undoing a few bolts. Negatives on the petrol Jacks ? Nothing huge I'd have thought - very robust chariots in general (we had a 99 TD SE). TechSpecs for the Jack and the intended van will tell you the towing ability.
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Reply By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 20:50
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 20:50
My Jackaroo was a very good car. You will use around 17 -18ltrs per 100k towing wtih the v6 motor. 14-15ltrs around town
Not sure about the lack of power, unless you are driving the diesel.. The v6 has ample and will tow a van with ease.
You can take the rear seats out easily, I did and stored them until I sold it.
I have no negatives about the car
mine was good all the time I owned it. I had the Olympic Model with the V6. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 21:02
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 21:02
Hi Luckymum,
I own a 1999 SE 3.0 TD Jackaroo, but knowing what I know now, would only recommend a petrol engine model.
They are a bit thirsty, but quite sufficient power. Towing capacity (in my manual) is 2250 kg. Possibly the one you tried was out of tune.
One of the selling points of the Jackaroo's when they were released was their towing ability, compared to similar size vehicles.
I have removed my rear fold up seats, 10 minutes at most, 4 small bolts in each, however, if you need 7 seats.........
Can't think of any great negatives, quite frankly, I really like my car, even if the diesel model is renowned for unreliability motor wise. Petrol Jackaroos are known for reliability, long life if treated properly, but yes, a bit thirsty. A Pajero is the closest option, but you have said you don't want one.
My wife is only 5' 2" in the old scale, and has no trouble seeing over the bonnet, and driving it in general. Top car, in my book.
Happy hunting, Dave
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Reply By: Member - Timbo - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 21:44
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 21:44
Hi,
Until recently, I had a 1995 Jackaroo with the 3.2L V6 in it. I sold it with 396,000km on it and never had to do anything more serious than scheduled servicing (
except for a problem with the fuel pump assembly which stranded me once). I doubt you'll find many cars that are more comfortable for endless hours and hours touring on the highway or on dirt/gravel roads. I never got sore driving it (I think 12 hours was the longest day) and I even had passengers comment about how comfortable it was to travel in (though the centre
seat in the centre row left a bit to be desired).
A good low-range and great wheel articulation also made it great for rough off-road tracks/
trails although the ground clearance (beneath the transfer case and IFS) let it down a bit.Image Could Not Be Found
The car was rated to tow 2,250kg and a few times I towed my brother's small 750kg van. It always managed the task and felt very much in control (ie. not pushed around by the van) but in terms of power there was never a doubt we were pulling something behind us! - particularly on the hills (although we were driving through the Snowy Mountains/Vic Alps). We weren't in a hurry so it didn't really bother us. The later model (from 1998) had a larger 3.5L V6 and this had heaps more power, and maximum torque was produced lower in the rev range (3,000rpm instead of 3,750rpm) which would make it more suitable for towing.
Personally, I'd have no hesitation recommending them, and would seriously consider buying another one myself (especially if they still sold them new). You should be able to get a good 3.5L V6 with less than 200,000km for less than $10,000. Let me know if you have any more questions...
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 22:12
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 22:12
Luckymum,
Some very accurate replies above. But then again I'm biased as I own one.
Which State are you in?
It just so happens that my Jackaroo is up for sale.
I intend placing it in the Trader section very shortly and have just listed it in Carsguide.
Bill.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 22:15
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 22:15
One thing I forgot to include.
The Jackaroo V6 petrol engine has an excellent power range but as far as I am aware, is not suitable for a cost effective conversion to gas operation.
Bill.
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Follow Up By: jarz85 - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 19:52
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 19:52
Hi, checked out your ad... too bad its an auto or I would of had a look at it :)
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Follow Up By: jarz85 - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 19:54
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 19:54
Although in reply to myself, how do autos compare to manuals allround? Have only looked at an auto 80 series and it was clunky as heck.. might consider
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 20:48
Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 20:48
I love the flexibility that an auto provides, especially in sandy conditions.
Wouldn't have anything else.
Bill.
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Reply By: robertbruce - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 00:10
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 00:10
The Jackaroo was thought by some to be the "Japanese Range-Rover", in a good sense.....
Serious Isuzu Truck Reliability combined with comfortable and capable
suspension....
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Reply By: luckymum - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:00
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:00
Hi all,
Thanks so much for your replies.
Hopefully it will help to convince my husband that this is the car for us. I have heard very very few negatives associated with the Jackaroo so Ill be pushing for it! The car we tested the other day had everything we could possibly want in a 4wd of that price range but as I said he didnt think it was gutsy enough.
See you
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:57
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:57
Well, it will probably struggle to keep up with the Commodores if that's what you mean, but you might need to have a think what you want in a car because everything is a compromise.
A Commodore will tow a caravan okay, but won't fit 7 (unless you fit dickie-seats), but it won't go off-road so
well either. A 4WD will be better off-road but will lean over more in the corners, and probably be a bit slower (partly because the engine is usually designed for pulling rather than fast acceleration).
The caravan might slow her down a little but whenever you're towing that caravan, you're on a holiday! We have holidays to slow down a bit, relax and enjoy the time out. Enjoy the time together as a family while your kids still travel with you...
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Reply By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 13:38
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 13:38
Hi lucky Mum,
we have three Jacks in our Family, a 98 se man, and my wife has on 03 Nullarbor auto and my son has a 02 se man.
As others have said great cars. In 47000ks in my 98 I have replaced the timing belt, and the inlet manifold gasket, and had the egr, iac motor and trottle body cleaned due to the check engine light being on.
They are not really suited to gas.
If you are worried about economy and power get a manual 98, or 99 or early 2000. These cars are lighter and have free wheeling hubs. Best economy I have seen from
mine on the open road is 10.63/100 and arround 13 to 14 towing our 4.2 boat. Sals auto uses 2 to 3l/100 more then
mine under the same conditions.
Recently on a trip from
Bathurst to Thornleigh (near Hornsby) and back using the Bells road and encountering heaps of lights I used 42l to cover 370ks. But I keep
mine in top tune.
You will not get better value then a 3.5 v6 Jack. The earlier 3.2s where lacking in the torque .
Jacks seem to vary in their engine performance according to how they have been serviced.
Mine goes like a scalded cat, ie will break traction on dirt roads in 2nd gear id to much trottle is used. But I did drive some dogs before I found
mine.
Sal also loves her auto Nullarbor, it is so quite compared to hers previous Paj.
An easy mod on any v6 for more power and economy is to remove the restrictors in the exhaust y piece. You will get a bit more noise under full throttle. Sal wants hers left in.
What State are you in?
Any more qquestions just ask.
Good luck Pete
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 13:43
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 13:43
One other thing Lucky Mum, a service history is everything, Do not buy one with out books, but their is heaps of good ones arround. Eg 98 se with 86000ks at a dealer in Goulbourn for $11000.
Try and get one with a b/bar they are $2000 to buy now.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 18:07
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 18:07
As another Jack owner I can only echo the good sentiments of fellow owners
above. I bought my 3.5 2000 auto with 87k on it ,3 years ago for $14k.
Havent had any issues at all, now has 114k & has towed a C/t to the
Kimberley & back. I get 15L/100 towing the C/t but must keep it under 100kph. Not ideal city car but
mine is for holidays only. Plenty of $5k runabouts
around for daily driving. I use Peugeots. That one in
Goulburn (close to me)
sounds good. Also one on eBay at the moment at a
Sydney dealer for $10k
may be worth a look. Best value full size 4WD wagon at the "Budget" end
of the market IMHO......oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: luckymum - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 20:33
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 20:33
Oldbaz, what c/t are you towing with the Jackaroo?
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 09:31
Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 09:31
My C/t is the standard 7 by 4 trailer with Oztrail tent. Put it together myself.
Only weighs about 700 Kg loaded. The Jack doesnt know it is there. You will
have no trouble towing the usual wind up type campers or pop tops to 16 ft.
The Jack can tow heavier if required but as with all towing, more weight
means more fuel. I was a bit concerned with it being auto but after using it I
would not go back to a manual. I am sure you can find a good one in your
price range. As Pete says..go for low k's, 3.5L models from 98 on. Log Books
& Service History is vital...no records...leave it alone. If you wish to pursue the
one Pete refers to in
Goulburn get back to me with details & I can have a look
at it for you. I'm not a mechanic but have bought used cars for 40 years & yet
to buy a lemon. Anything under 100k should be your priority providing all other
aspects are met. cheers...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 13:42
Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 13:42
Gee baz,
we must be twins lol. The only lemon I have brought was a hd Holden back in 1971. Brought it because it was 179 man, damm doors all started rusting. The lj80 suziki was a bit troublesome but only paid $1800 for it in 86, then sold it for $3000 three years later. You get a feel for
well looked after cars after nearly 40 years of buying them. The one in Goulbourn was on country cars, but lacked a b/bar. Had a look at the one lucky mum is looking at, looks and reads very
well.
After hours of research on American forums I am not so concerned now about really low k units. Damm things do not run in to 200000ks. One in the usa had done 250000
miles. Was using oil, but put diesel rimula x in the motor and cured the problem. Most likely blocked drain back holes in the oil rings and carboned up rings. After this treatment oil consumption dropped to almost zero.
I take it you are in the southern Highlands.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 14:19
Wednesday, Aug 05, 2009 at 14:19
Pete, I couldnt find that Jack in
Goulburn on Country Cars. Probably sold quick
with those k's. The blue one you referred to reads very
well. Off to
Perth soon, so will put another 10/12k on
mine. Yep, I find no value at all in new cars...
except as a quick way to throw money away. Plenty of good used buys around
if you do your homework. Fancy paying more in depreciation than running costs
...just crazy. I used Rimula X in my diesel 504, it went to 540k before breaking
a ring, I was happy with that. Apologies to lucky mum for stealing the thread,
but Pete & I enjoy a chat........oldbaz.
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Reply By: luckymum - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 20:15
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 20:15
I really appreciate everyones replies. Its given me lots to think about. Im really impressed that all the owners of Jackaroos in this
forum have very few negative comments.
Here is the one we checked out the other day:
http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/4WD-Wagons-SUVs/AdNumber=TP002525265?BackToResult=true
It looks good doesnt it? Its done very little 4WDing and has all log books. We may go back for a second drive and take our mechanic to check it out.
One more question......could you fit a cargo barrier if we took out the rear seats?
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 21:01
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 21:01
Yes we have a cargo barrier in the 03 Nullarbor. We could not fit out 85l esky in due to the seats and cargo barrier, so I just removed one rear
seat. I have them both out in
mine. If you take them out put the bolts back in otherwise you will lose them.
I have not had a chance to check out the above Jack, but they all have a 5th gear whine, at about 80ks. The factory fix was to fit more sound proofing .
I will have a look at the add now
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 21:20
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 21:20
Need more clues what state, colour price. Try using the above item no but got no where. Car sales is a much more user friendly site.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: luckymum - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 21:29
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 21:29
Sorry Pete.....trading post, blue colour, nsw, SE, northern beaches, 2000
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 22:32
Tuesday, Aug 04, 2009 at 22:32
Yep found it, very nice with about $4000 worth of extras. Lot of car for the money. The autos are a bit slower then the manuals,BUT if you live in
Sydney its the way to go. I also see its got a service history. Make sure you keep it going, its getting very hard to sell a vehicle with no service history. If you buy it run it on premium for a few tanks(cleans the injectors etc) and take it for a good run. Sally auto was also a bit sluggish, but after a trip towing the boat it was much better.
This model should have the free wheeling hubs which is a plus for wear and tear and economy.
I like the fact it has the orinigal Holden b/bar(same as
mine lol) A b/bar is a must for country running.
To give your husband a comparsion in performance between the manuals and autos Sallys auto is 10 to 15ks slower towing the boat up the long
hill out of
sofala then my manual. But it will still drag 700 odd kg up their at 80 to 90. In the auto I tend not to floor it to avoid it kicking down to 2nd on this
hill.
A prado in the same condition will cost you $20000, and they are not twice as good believe me. Plus low k Prados are as scarce as rocky horse do do.
Good luck, let us know what you do.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: luckymum - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 19:35
Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 19:35
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for their replies.
Update: We bought the Jackaroo and are picking it up this week. Negotiated $9250.
Very exciting and it just means we are 1 step closer to our trip next year. Im sure I will have many more questions re travelling around OZ so Ill see you all around the boards.
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