Jamieson and Walhalla Local Police supportive of Victorian 4WD clubs and ExplorO

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 06, 2009 at 23:07
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I just wanted to pass on the latest update from Snr Constable Kennith Dwight at Walhalla on the Road Conditions and access changes happening in his district.

He sends me updates on local conditions when possible, I thought many people would be interested in proposed changes for access through Mt Skene during the winter months. (and why they are proposed).

Just as important I think, is his demonstrated advocacy for the 4WD community.

He has always been very supportive of ExplorOz and responsible 4WD Organizations and individuals who take their adventures in the region seriously.

I'd like to think when anybody sees the police patrolling this area they will be more inclined to stop for a chat after reading this.


Here is his latest message.

Reference: Licola Road and other matters.

Hello to all, sorry I haven’t written for awhile, I just wanted to disseminate a bit if information regarding tracks and roads in the Woods Point and surrounding areas. I believe that all seasonal closures are still in place at this time and with only 1 month of winter to go it won’t be long before they are all open again.

At time of writing all other tracks are open excepting Abbotts Link and Abbots Creek Tracks and the Jamieson Licola Road (which is a new closure), however you must be prepared at this time of year for the worst weather, downed trees, rockslides, lots of mud and water, Mt. Selma Road is atrocious at the moment very slippery so beware. The rivers are running hard and high at the moment and there is a bit of snow up on Mt. Skene making it very difficult to pass without the appropriate equipment.

The seasonal closing of Jamieson Licola Road to all traffic from the 1200 mtr mark, from Mt Sunday Road to the southern boundary of the Mansfield Shire near Connors Plain Camp, this closure will stay in force until 30 Sept. 2009. The shire has good reason for this closure and further information is obtainable from the Engineering and Works Manager, Mansfield Shire Council, 33 Highett Street, Mansfield 3722.
For more information: David Roff, Chief Executive Officer on (03) 57758555.

The closure isn’t to penalise experienced 4WD proponents or curtail their driving experience I know most of you are perfectly capable and safe in these conditions a message I have passed onto my superiors. My local Inspector has indeed had a meeting last week with Shire representatives and executive members of 4WD Victoria to discuss this matter.

I understand from this meeting an agreement was made to keep the road closure but not put any physical barrier in place on the road. They considered joint badged signs warning of the closure and dangers of the road as well addressing the issue of possible permits to be issued to approved clubs and organisations, to have a permit to use this road so they are not breaching the law but allow competent groups to enjoy their recreational pursuits.

As you can understand these negotiations may take time and only be in place for next season, my colleague from Jamieson and myself will patrol this road occasionally however it is mainly up to you the users, to police this matter until a permit system is in place and to show that as a group you have the discipline and expertise to travel these roads safely. It is always going to be difficult to stop the loners and the inexperienced from using this route and getting into trouble but we will deal with each instance as it comes, hopefully this will help save someone from grief.

Two weeks ago I was patrolling this area; there was substantial snow from the Snake Edward Track south to the Barkley Jeep track. I came across an elderly gentleman on the north side of Skene stuck in the snow, he was in his middle 70’s driving a little Holden Van, and it was front wheel drive with about 6 inches of clearance off the ground. He told me he was just out driving from Jamieson and thought it might be a good idea to go this way to Dandenong, he didn’t have a map, a compass/GPS, no recovery gear, no tools no radio and his mobile phone strangely would not work. His little car was sitting up on the hard snow with his little wheels spinning in the air, he was going nowhere without help. It was late afternoon and if I hadn’t come along he would have at least done an overnighter up there without food, water or any warm clothes. I managed to turn him around and get him down to the snowline.

Please stay safe and enjoy your driving and trail bike riding up here, there are still plenty of tracks you can use, contrary to rumours there are still limited fuel supplies at Woods Point still if required.

K.J. DWIGHT
Leading Senior Constable 26884




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Kerry W (QLD)
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Thursday, Aug 06, 2009 at 23:49

Thursday, Aug 06, 2009 at 23:49
That’s a very sensible report and I support most of what he’s saying given the hours I’ve spent pulling people out of the snow up there.

However, I don’t agree with another bloody permit system. I‘d much prefer the outback model whereby signage is erected to warn of possible conditions.

Further to that, I also believe there should be an information box available which provides further information as conditions change throughout the winter season.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:55

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:55
Gday Kim,
So you've been a bit...... "snowed under" Hahahahahaha

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:04

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:04
Gday Kim,
So you've been a bit...... "snowed under" Hahahahahaha

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 22:54

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 22:54
Gidday Hairy

I heard you the first time young fella. Seems to me your getting a bit of a stutter in old age!

LOL

Regarda

Kim

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 14:44

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 14:44
Hahahaha....
I wrote it twice in case you forgot what I said by the time you read it the first time? Alzeimers setting in mate?

LOL
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Reply By: Member - Woodsy - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:44

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:44
Hi Kerry W

I agree.

Ken can be quite helpful.

BTW, Ken's station is Woods Point, not Walhalla.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Kerry W (QLD) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 13:53

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 13:53
Oops!!


Yeah! I knew that Woodsie been keeping in touch with him for 4 - 5 years - I Used to spend a lot of time there in the 70s and 80s . Must have written it up a bit late last night - don't know what I was thinking there! :-(
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:18

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:18
Despite some good intentions the clear statement made in that document is, we don't wish collateral damage apon you but please cop it anyway.


I do not accept 3 things.

1/ The police force should be disbanded because of the convictions of some bad police.

2/ That Mansfield council should be disbanded because of previous corrupt officers.

3/ That the thousands wishing to visit the snow should be prevented because some have got into trouble.


With long range tanks and supplies we are well on our way to this being the first year ever in which we won't spend a dollar in Mansfield.

Education, non banning is the only path for a civilized society thats seeks the co-operation of its members.

Please continue to support the $ boycott of Mansfield Shire.
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Reply By: Crackles - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:56

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:56
Will be interesting to see how the permit system is going to be set up, particually how easy a permit can be got for someone who is well prepared. I often decide to go up a couple of days after we get a big fall of snow so that wont leave much time for any "approval". At this stage it appears only club members will be able to get permits & I'd hazard a guess that over 75% of people currently heading up to Skene in winter aren't even in a club. Where will this leave them?
I'm convinced a better deal could have been brokered with decent signage & education instead of falling back to the MVO style permit system of the 4x4 association.
Will be keen to see the details.
Cheers Craig.............
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 16:03

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 16:03
My 02 worth...........

Having spent a few years living in the Howqua Valley and using the Licola-Jamieson Road as transit over to Traralgon fortnightly, in addition to doing a significant amount of work up there in the mountains, I feel reasonably qualified to comment.

I do understand the irritation to the local police and rescue organizations in continually rescuing the inexperienced and ill-equipped wallies from this area. I even see the argument for road closures when one sees the damage done to the road by those who "like driving in snow" and go up there with the 37" boggers, just to see how far they can go, get bogged, winch out, get bogged, snatched out etc, etc.......just for the fun of it. On the other hand, in the right conditions and with the right attitude and equipment, it is possible to drive around up there and do little damage. But it's the same as everywhere with 4WDing - attitude. You just can't account for those who have the wrong one!

Unfortunately, it seems a difficult compromise to allow for those with the right attitude and exclude those who choose to rip the place to shreds.

I would have been annoyed (whilst living up that way) to be told not to use the road, unless it was going to do a lot of damage or was impassable. I used to ring both the police at Jamieson and the Licola Store to get road conditions before heading up there and only ever once had to turn around and head back the long way.

Like others above, I don't feel that being in a 4WD club adds anything to my traveling experience and I don't feel that providing limited access to these organizations is the right way to go....smells of discrimination to me.

I don't know the answer to these problems, but as usual the same old adage applies.....too hard, so shut it off to everyone. Pity.

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 16:18

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 16:18
I'd also like to comment on gates being placed as these areas.

Prior to living in the Howqua Valley, lived over in the Sale area and used to take groups of school kids x-c skiing on the Snowy Plains....during the school term and mid week, when there was hardly anyone else around.

Our campsites varied throughout the season, depending upon the snow level and in order to 'spread' our limited impact.

One year a gate appeared at 'The Gorge' carpark and a second gate at Mt Lookout to prevent 4WD access to the Snowy Plains, as there had been numerous instances of idiots driving around on the fragile snow grass plains and generally buggering things up 'off-track'.

The "Management Plan" for the DNRE (at the time) noted that the gates would be monitored so that when little snow was present at the gorge, the gate would be opened to allow access to the snow for recreation and X-C skiing at Mt Lookout. The gate here was to be left closed for the whole season.

In reading this plan, I actually agreed with the idea, but in practice, the DNRE simply did not have the staff to 'manage' this situation effectively, therefore both gates were just left closed permanently (in contravention of their own "management plan'. I complained but as you would imagine was ignored. I even volunteered to manage the gates myself, in conjunction with appropriate communications with the DNRE to approve any openings or closings. This was also denied. It ended up stuffing up all our plans for the snow trips and much rearrangement had to be made.

It was a great example of thoughful thnking initially, but without the practical application to back it all up. Me thinks this closure of the Skene/Licola Road will end up the same.

Cheers,

Mark
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