GPS Map comparison

Submitted: Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:42
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I was doing some comparison's on the set of maps I have on my PC and come across this rail crossing 6.9 Klms West of Merriden , WA. On Checking the area on Google Earth I seen it and checked each map and here's the result. The Garmin Topo is perfect,

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All the map shots were at 300m zoom .

It would be interesting if someone with Magellan and Navman software could show the same location.

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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:06

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:06
Hi Doug,
interesting comparisons. I always look at various maps and compare them when preparing a journey. I also compare my actual track travelled on the journey, against the maps as well. It is amazing the differences I have found, especially in Arnhem Land. There is often many kms difference between the actual track travelled and that shown on the map, often due to tracks being damaged by floods and re-routed to higher or firmer ground. Same goes in central australia.

But your example above, shouldn't in fact occur.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:13

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G'Day mate, yes I noticed the same using CN 2010 on the run over to Ramingining, and when I uploaded the recorded track to the PC and seen it overlayed on Garmin Topo it was 98.9% spot on, so I can't wait to get a copy on CD and get it into the Nuvi, the copy I'm using on the PC belongs to Noel K and it's registered to his GPS 18,

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Reply By: viz - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:15

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:15
Hmmm - I note the same, and a question is: are all the various map overlays using the same map datum? e.g. WGS84 - and later versions to take into account GPS data - i.e. "WGS 84 (G873)", adopted I think in 1997.

Now one would think that between 1997 and 2009 would give enough time for mapping authorities and organisations to streamline their map data, but I think in Australia's case, the huge size of the country and lack of resources mean that we have some dud information, add to that old survey data that has not been updated with modern equipment.

Travelling through Europe I note stark contrasts between various country's data - France, excellent, Germany excellent, Holland, Denmark, also excellent. Norway, fair, Austria - amazingly accurate (as you would expect). Now Italy....... good in some parts, woeful in others. And Australia, outside the cities, is last.

Old story of GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out.

I am looking for some software for outback work to upload to my Garmin (in my travels a revered and precious little bit of electronic usefulness) - I have OzTopo V2 (V3 coming out.... when???) - am looking at the Garmin Topo product - how do you find it when compared to the others mentioned?

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 13:15

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 13:15
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I haven't used it yet in the gps unit but it's coming soon...$$, as for outback have a look at the reply i gave Fred B in this post,
I had some SD tracks recorded but they have been lost, I do have the Goog's track and the recorded track overlay on Garmin Topo is once again spot on, The QAA line ends just East of the SD-NP in Qld which I thought was a little dissapointing , I think it would be very difficult to get 1 gps map set with everything covered ,

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Follow Up By: bgreeni - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:08

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:08
It should not matter what the map datum or projection is. The software in the GPS should be able to handle the conversion. Not that familiar with the Vector type data but certainly OziExp can handle maps in most datums/projections. GPS always output data initially in WGS84.
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Follow Up By: viz - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:18

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:18
This may show the limit of my knowledge, but are there not different versions of WGS84? The 1984 version did not use GPS data to my knowledge, whereas WGS84 (G873) is the latest iteration to use GPS data, this version adopted in 1997; I think the first iteration of WGS84 that used GPS data was adopted in 1994.

I am a bit fuzzy on these - forgotten a hell of a lot since my initial courses near 15 years ago.

My thinking is that some of the map datums are not matching (different versions, datums and iterations from different years), hence the discrepancies with the overlays...

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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:55

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 12:55
This is the same area taken from Magellans DiscoverAus Streets and Tracks.
Looks very similar to your OzTopo V2

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:08

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:08
Interesting Chris, my Discover Aus puts it in the right place. I have V 2.27 and it puts the crossing in the right place. It also shows the small access road off the Great eastern Highway and topo lines.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:27

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:27
Boobook
I should have added what version mine was. It's is the older version to yours V1.00b. At least we know that they do update their maps.

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:01

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:01
Gday Doug,
Cd is the way to go, you can load it to a decent sized SD Card. I bought the Garmin Topo on Sd card and it does have some shortcomings. It comes on a 2 gig micro SD and it takes up 1.78 gb, so it has no room to add music and other items. You cannot transfer the file to another bigger sd card, the lock does not work when you move the file to another card. It really is just a plug and play with little foresight for other applications on most Nuvi's!! I also found the contour lines are very pronounced and in hilly country where there is a lot of them, they are a bit overbearing. It would be nice of garmin to provide a second mapset with all the ground detail without the contours. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 06:32

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 06:32
Yes, agree with your comment about the contours. Added to inadequate labelling means I'm hard pressed to call these 'maps', when used in mountainous areas.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:57

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:57
The other thing is that the maps in city areas are not as up to date as the City Nav 2009maps.. Some recent roads are missing that the City navigator has and found that using the Oz topo in Sydney, some of the streets are out as much as 20 metres.. It may well be accurate in the bush where most people bought it for.. Michael
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:41

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:41
Excellent info there Doug.

When you put Garmin Topo into your new Nuvi, do you have to swap SD cards or can Garmin Topo co-exist with the normal Nuvi maps?

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:46

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:46
I have a 4gb SD stuck in it so it'll go on there,

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