Crossing Station Country

Submitted: Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 20:11
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There's often a lot of spirited debate about the need for permission / permits to cross aboriginal lands, but what about the vast areas of land tied up in pastoral and mining leases. Sure, many station owners don't mind responsible travellers passing through, but there are also quite a number who will categorically deny any access - even if it is to cross from one side to the other on a map-marked track/road. I fully understand not interrupting station work etc, but I have had some give a flat "no" to any polite request. This can be even worse where the station is owned by a large corporate. I can't believe that massive amounts of our country are closed to responsible travellers.
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Reply By: Member - shane (SA) - Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 20:44

Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 20:44
I have often wondered about this my self, If you had the time i bet there is an old law that would get around it.
There is an old law where no land holder can stop you going to fresh water, but you have to go via a boundary line/ fence line and cause no damage.
Maybe this could be your mission in life Rosco.

cheers shane.
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Reply By: equinox - Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 20:47

Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 20:47
At the end of the day all you need is the permision of the minister in charge of those things. ie Mines Minister or Pastoral Lands Minister.

I would try a few steps though, before you get to that stage.



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Reply By: Member - DW (NSW) - Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 21:15

Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 21:15
Having had land similar to that which you talk about, it is the irresponsible people who cause the rejections.
Some are so arrogant that any person would say a flat NO. I had idiots shooting without permission and endangering livestock. These landholders have to make a living and I am sure that you would reject their request to trample through your back yard leaving rubbish and damage.
Going the ministerial way will harden these landholders and force more rejections. Play it very carefully and even offer to help on the station in return for access. You may think you are a responsible traveller, but reassess your thoughts.
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 21:37

Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 21:37
That’s a lot of Tommy rot apart from DW's post. If you want to cross a man’s property, be respectful and put some time into developing trust.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 21:33

Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 21:33
Rosco 24,

I agree with DW here. Years ago I asked permission of a station to cross their land I only wanted to drive through and by going across the track clearly shown on the Natmap 250k I would save 300km. I got a flat no.

A few months later I found myself parked next to one of the station vehicles in car park in the regional centre closest to the property.

I got talking to the couple who were the managers of the property which is owned by a large pastoral company.

They had always allowed people to use the track until a group came through when it was wet. Not only did they cause damage by driving on the tracks but they had great fun doing donuts and racing back and forth through a couple of muddy sections, they also broke a couple of gates and allowed stock to stray.

All in all it cost the station a fortune in time and loss of sales because they could not get stock to market. So they beefed up the gates and put locks on them. Company policy has changed and they now now longer allow public use of their land.

I can't say I blame them. Would you let someone wander through your workplace unaccompanied tossing stuff about to make your job more difficult?

I do know that if you get to know them most will allow you to travel, camp and even hunt on their land. Also you tend to get a better response too if you get introduced or if you approach the homestead and show some respect.

Duncs
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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 09:24

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 09:24
Basicly, if the road is a "Gazetted Road' withinn the meaning of the Act, the LEASEHOLDER cannot stop you from traversing the land. You may not stop or move off the road for any reason whatsoever.
The eternal problem is the yobbos who do stupid things and the majority has to pay the price.
Oh, if the gate is closed and secured by a chain or otherwise, you will be guilty of interferring with private property.
Phone or better write a letter.
Brian Purdue
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 17:30

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 17:30
Brian - Problem is a lot of these roads are not on the correct alignment. There may be a gazetted road through the property, but in many cases it wanders off the actual Road Reserve.

The Palmerville road QLD is a good example of this.

I used to drive from Drumduff through a station track to King Junction on the Palmerville River. This is actually a gazetted road, but it leaves the actual road reserve in many places. I did it a couple of months back and had a hell of a time finding the track as the station no longer maintains it, when I got out to the main gate it was locked and No Trespass sign on it. They were not expecting anyone from the other direction obviously. Could not go back 100k so had to unwire the fence and rewire. I never heard why they closed this short cut.

Must have had trouble as you say.

Biggest problem is finding a phone number and owner so you can ring and do the right thing, I could not find the number for this station anywhere, I wanted to phone to let them know I was coming through. Cheers tony
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Reply By: Ray - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 09:54

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 09:54
Few years ago I was going to a mine site in the Eastern Goldfields to do some construction work. I was on a gazetted road when I came across a barrier and a sign "Mine Site Keep Out" I opened the barrier and drove through. I had not gone fare when I was approached by this arrogant bloke telling me that I was on private land. ( he did not know who I was) I also told this bloke that I was on a gazetted road and that he had no right to put a barrier across it without installing an alternative route. I then told this bloke who I was ( construction supervisor) to remove the barrier till he had installed a detour. At that time there was nothing to nick or damage and the bloke was living in an old caravan.
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:22

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:22
Gday,
It all depends on how you go about it and how much trouble they have had in the past?
I used to go camping on a Station where nobody else was permitted.....the trick was I used to work on that property for the previous owners. Id ring them up and offer to do a bore run while I was out there. It would save them a 50 Km drive and it would only cost me a few litres of diesel to fire up the bores.

We went out to Aileron Station a couple of weeks ago.....Rung Garry Dann and he said no problems.

Two weeks before that we asked Henbury and got a flat no. We wanted to go to a waterhole and they had cattle near it....quite understandable I reckon, considering they don't know me and how I would act. So many "tourist" head out to these places and think they are doing the right thing but can really be a pain in the ar$e as they just don't know.....You can accidentally turn cattle away from a waterhole and they walk away and die.
There is more to working with cattle than putting a "were the hell is Conargo Pub" sticker on your car and wearing an Akubra....LOL

The thing is...its their property and there decision. Some people are just are$oles, but you cant put them all in the same category.

Cheers
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