ok so heres the navigation plan....will this work?

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 18:48
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Firstly thanke to everyone who offered advice and links to information on my last post on navigation.

I have come up with a plan for my navigation and i would like some expert input before i embark on this project so and have more confidence that i am on the right track and that it will work.

So the plan is as follows:

I have a small compaq HP laptop that was given to me by my work.
I plan to set up a bracket for it to sit on near the dash on my nissan patrol so i can see the screen.
I plan to load some topographical map softwhere onto the laptop like ozi explorer or something like that.
I plan to connect a GPS mouse to the laptop and use the laptop screen as the navigation screen.
I plan to power the laptop via a small inverter as i have one already and have heard thisi is the best way to do it. is it?

Questions
Will i need a second lot of softwhere for streets and highways or are these included with the topographical maps?
Will this plan work?

Thanks in advance everyone
cheers dave
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Reply By: blueriderwa - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 18:57

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 18:57
sorry just worked out i got the name of the softwhere wrong, i plan to use ExplorOz cheers dave
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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 19:22

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 19:22
Hi Dave,
OziExplorer is the mapping software.... then you will need maps such as NATMAP (topographical) digital maps 2008 (as OziExplorer) only comes with a base map and sample tracks etc. OziExplorer allows you to display the maps and then use a gps to have a moving map show your position as you drive.

Street maps are a different kettle of fish.
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Reply By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 19:42

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 19:42
Hi Dave

For street mapping you will probably need somthing like Copilot. Follow the link. or simply buy a tomtom or garmin etc.
http://www.gpsoz.com.au/copilot/copilot_pc.htm


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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 21:01

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 21:01
Thanks Rob

If i buy a tom tom or garmin I wont need a gps mouse.......... right?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 21:49

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 21:49
Only if you buy the correct model.

Dont touch Copilot as it is being discontinued in Australia and I believe some places have stopped selling it.

I had this confirmed by the makers ALK in USA

Also their customer support sucks absolutely

Personally I prefer a CONVERTER that ups the voltage to what your unit uses rather than have 240 volts floating around in a car enviorment.


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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 21:57

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 21:57
jeepers i'm really having trouble following this whole gps and navigation thing. I thought i had it sorted but now im nearly just as confused as i was when i started.

All i want is a system that will help me navigate safely and reliably around australia, we definitely need street mapping and because we are hoping to do some more adventureous stuff and dont want to get lost.

Thanks for trying to help so far guys but i am still not sure what i need to do to get my system working.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:09

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:09
Well you got the lappy for nothing so why not buy a Tomtom Go 730 for $482 at Jb Hi Fi for street mapping ,they just have a new map out.

I have one and it eats the eqiv Garmin model which I had and ditched.

You can d./load Ozi and put it on your laptop for if and when you go off road.

Buy a GPS mouse off Ebay as they are dirt cheap now but get one wiith a SIRF III chipset and a USB connector.

Where in WA are you Im in Geraldton at the moment for another 10 days and can show you Copilot and the Tom tom
Am heading south on 4th Sept.


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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:28

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:28
thankyou graham i actually live in qld but thanks anyway. my wa name is a hangover from when i lived in wa a few years ago.

anyway back to the nav system....

so from your post i am getting the idea that the street mapping and the of road system are completely separate systems

is there any way of just utilising the laptop with a gps mouse and getting both street and of road mapping on the one machine?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:48

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:48
You could look at Trackranger which I believe does both.

http://www.advantechdesign.com.au/overview.

Im not sure but you may have to plan a trip before you go and then it follows it . Where as a street navigator you only tell it where you want to end up and it works it out.

I used to use the laptop with Copilot but found it too big and cumbersome and also not too good as the maps were pretty old and no new ones for a fair while Like years.

I also think its dangerous to be looking at the screen instead of the road.

I listen to mine and let the wife watch the screen and call out the streets if Im not sure.

The Tom Tom call the disrtance from 1 k away and counts down to 50m before a corner.

It also has lane indication on it which is good and the Garmin didnt.
What I mean if you are on a multilane road it shows which way the lanes go and when they turn off and to which side.
Very helpful.

Cheers


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Reply By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:44

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 22:44
Whilst you have many navigating options I must say the Iphone 3G or 3GS is now a powerful tool, the apps for the Iphone in terms of Navigating are awesome, a choice of street navigators and great off road products like Motion X GPS and you don't need anything other than the Iphone.

I think Oziexplorer need to got something happening for the Iphone or they will miss out on huge market share, the Pocket PC and Windows Mobile is being left for dead by the Iphone boom.

For me the trouble of a carrying a laptop especially in a vehicle is something I would never consider. I know Oziexplorer don't have anything for the Iphone right now, lets hope they are thinking about it.
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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 23:17

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 23:17
Jeeez terra ferma dont bring that into it i am confused enough already lol ;)
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Reply By: blueriderwa - Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 23:16

Saturday, Aug 22, 2009 at 23:16
OK so let see if i have this correct

OziExplorer is just mapping softwhere on which you can plan where you want to go and follow that route using the screen and the gps mouse?

there is also an off road tracks softwhere package that can overlay the maps of oziexplore and guide you along the tracks if you want it to???

the best method of navigating with street maps is via a normal car navigator live a tom tom or a navman????

The laptop set up is really just a screen that activates the softwhere?????

Al though these are statements they are really questions.... am i getting it or am i still miles away?

cheers dave
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Follow Up By: WBS - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:29

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:29
Dave, you really seem confused.

Laptop=hardware
GPS mouse =hardware
OziExplorer= Software
Hema=Mapping Data
NATMAP250K digital maps= Mapping data
Tom Tom = In Car Navigation Software with maps included

To look at maps and moving maps you need OziExplorer and load mapping data such as NATMAP 250K or Hema desert tracks or both or any other comatible mapping data. There are a multitude of map data available. This stuff runs on OziExplorer regardless of whether you have a GPS connected or not. If you connect the GPS mouse and manage to turn on the GPS in Oziexplorer you then you know exactly where you are on this planet by way of an arrow or some other symbol on your map, providing you've set the Configuration file correctly in OziExplorer and the GPS output is being received by OziExplorer.

For city navigation, you need a separate software package such as Tom Tom. These packages have the maps embedded in them and are not linked to OziExplorer to run. You cannot run both OziExplorer and Tom Tom (as an example) simultaneously on your laptop, its one or the other.

The GPS Mouse must be connected for both OziExplorer or Tom Tom to navigate for you.

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Follow Up By: WBS - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:34

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:34
I should correct my last Followup.
comatible should read compatible and when I say you cannot run both packages at the same time you may be able to but I am unsure whether you can or not. Perhaps you can run each in a separate wimndow or something but for you this may just add a another level of confusion until you get you head around it all.

WBS aka Tom
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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:53

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:53
Thanksyou WBS your list has helped me a lot to better understand.

Ok so lets try this again if i do this will i be good to go.

FOR STREET NAVIGATION

Buy a small cheap Tom Tom navigator for street navigation and mapping.

OR

Just buy the street mapping softwhere (eg Tom Tom) and load it onto the Laptop and use this to do my street navigation.

Buy Ozi Explorer and Hema maps and load both onto the laptop for off road navigation and trip planning and so i know where i am on the planet.

Buy a GPS mouse to hook upto the laptop to utilise when Navigating with the laptop.

OR

Go out and buy the best available mapbook and use that...... just kidding on this one but it feels like sometimes it is the best answer.
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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 18:41

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 18:41
Has anyone ever types Hema into the search bar on ebay...............very nice lol.
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Reply By: blueriderwa - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:42

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:42
anyone know a good gps expert in the brisbane area i could go and sort this out with? I am just having too much trouble piecing it all together on here.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 14:40

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 14:40
Blueriderwa,

Try Johnny Appleseed Brisbane locations I have purchased things from them in Sydney and they seem to know their stuff. They sell mapping software and GPS hardware.

My 2 cents on navigation,

I have a Garmin Nuvi 760 (the new 765 has lane assist) with the Garmin Top maps. This covers me for 90% of Australia. The rest i use paper maps.

Just a note, Garmin Topo on the Nuvi gives to turn by turn directions on gazetted tracks, which is impressive and save setting way points.

I do have friends with laptops and mapping, this is extremely handy to put travel diaries and photographs together. They also use wireless broadband and Google Earth downloads. (gets more and more complex eh!)

I have the laptop and all the software, but have put this together yet, not seen the point.

Well that was more like 4 cents worth.

Good luck...

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Reply By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 21:54

Sunday, Aug 23, 2009 at 21:54
jeepers i'm really having trouble following this whole gps and navigation thing. I thought i had it sorted but now im nearly just as confused as i was when i started.

All i want is a system that will help me navigate safely and reliably around Australia, we definitely need street mapping and because we are hoping to do some more adventurous stuff and don't want to get lost.

Thanks for trying to help so far guys but i am still not sure what i need to do to get my system working.


Hi Dave.
As i said when you asked originally have a look at the Hema Navigator.
for sale in the exploroz shop.

It is straight out of the box ready to go loaded with off hema road maps.
and Street turn by turn mapping.
Plug it in, stick it on the window, and read the manual carefully.

Sure there may be better systems and more complex out there.
But you need to buy something basic and learn like i did if you are having difficulty sorting through it all options.

I have a similar device to the Hema navigator it's an ASUS PDA with in built
GPS Loaded with oziexplore ce for off road and Destinator Software for street level turn buy turn .

You wont get lost with the Hema navigator combined with the use of there paper maps to refer back to. I found this very good As the paper map is the same one on the navigator.As the screen is small but you can easily relate back to the full size paper map for the big picture.



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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 20:38

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 20:38
Thanks Rod I agree with your reasoning and think that the Hema is the way to go for me. I just got caught out thinking i could set up a cheaper and possibly more effective system because i was given a laptop...

that idea is pretty much in the too hard basket now and i am looking into the Hema

thanks for your help all cheers dave
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