Landcruiser 70 series Wagon 2007-2009
Submitted: Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:56
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helski
Hi, I'm new to this site, so I hope this will work! I am looking to do a trip (possibly 8 months) round Australia with my other half who is a v experienced 4wd user and we are considering buying the Landcruiser 70 series wagon but can't test drive one bcs they are so new/rare.
Do any of you have any feedback on them? We love the V8 idea and currently own a 70 series 1985 model mid wheel base and just want more room inside (as we will have people joining us for parts of the trip) and more torque.
We'd love any advice, as there don't seem to be any performance reports available on the net yet for them. We want to know about handling, fuel consumption, and reliability as it's a lot of money to spend on a vehicle you haven't tested.
All comments gratefully received.
Cheers,
H&A
Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:03
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:03
helski
There is a terrific means of accessing so much information already posted on this site via the Search Options at the top of the
forum page.
Type on a variety of heading like 76 Series or 70 series V8 etc and have a read.
Other than to say I don't think you will be disappointed with the new 70's V8 range.
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Follow Up By: helski - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:38
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:38
thanks John, maybe I'm doing something wrong tho bcs when I type that in it comes up with random threads that have the word series or wagon in it but not specifically to do with the 70 series.
I take it you are an owner. How long have you had yours for? And how did it go on your travels? Any problems we should be aware of?
Cheers,
Helen
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:20
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:20
Hi Helen
Try putting your subject matter in inverted comma's like this "70 Series"
This will ensure that it searches for that sentence or description.
If you use 70 Series it will show every thread with 70 and or Series in it somewhere.
Here is what comes up with "70 Series" 411 matches
Look Here
"70 Series" Search Results
Hope this makes sense and helps?
P.S
I have a 2006 TD6 Troopy so can't give you longterm personal owners opinion on the new V8 but I have driven them and they are a brilliant vehicle.
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Follow Up By: helski - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 18:06
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 18:06
thank you John, I really ought to have thought of the " myself! I have been trawling the various posts you sent me the link to - fascinating stuff, pity I have to work! I could read them all day.
Cheers,
H
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Reply By: tim_c - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:36
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:36
If Toyota can't arrange a testdrive for you, (aside from threatening to buy a Nissan) you could go to carsales.com.au or similar Australia-wide sites (eg. tradingpost.com.au, drive.com.au, etc.) and search to see which dealers have them - there are a few around (hopefully you'll find one not too far from you!) even if you have to drive a second hand one. It seems a bit foolhardy to spend that much on something you've never testdriven before.
The vehicle is number one on my wishlist at the moment and I'll be looking for a testdrive as soon as possible after I get back to Oz!
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Follow Up By: helski - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:43
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:43
thanks Tim, will do. We live in the Yarra Valley and our local dealership said they can't arrange a test drive for us- as they cost so much to import, no dealer has one sitting on their forecourt. I love your Nissan threat.
We will investigate further. Glad to hear it's on your wish list too.
Cheers,
H
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:48
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:48
Helski, I've noticed a few Vic dealers with them (may have been second hand ones) - I think they were in Warragul area but it would be worth the trip...
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:58
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 13:58
There is a 70's section at LCOOL.... may be of use.
http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=15
I joined and frequent the 100's section - been extremely informative for me..... lots of very helpful members there.
BTW - the 70 Wagon has a relatively small fuel capacity I'm told (compared to other Toyota offerings... could be true :-o).
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:20
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:20
Yes, only 90L (Troopy and cab-chassis both have 180L).
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Reply By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:16
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:16
We have had ours for nearly 2 years and in now has 50000ks on it and it is great. Towed our old van a 21ft to the
Kimberley and back no worries. We did the Gibb with out the van of course. Never had any problems We now have a 24ft van a recently towed it ti
Sydney and back went like a dream. Now looking forward to heading to
Perth in November.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:25
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 14:25
"can't test drive one bcs they are so new"
Other than the V8 there is not much new about a 76 series wagon in fact much of the car is sourced from parts dating back to the model you drive now! ;-)
That said the V8 is a very nice engine particually suited to towing although the older TD in the 100 series is more fuel efficient. If you are after plenty of space you will be dissapointed as the storage area is smaller than that of a 90 series Prado with rear seating & leg room a bit tight. (in fact all the seats are very poor) Features on the 76 are very basic so you may need to set aside a few dollars to upgrade things like the small fuel
tank, springs, seats etc.
Not sure of your exact needs but value for money a 120 series Prado would possibly make a better touring wagon for Oz than something that was rushed into assembly out of Toyota's parts bin.
IMHO the most dissapointing car Toyota have built since the Bundeera. Almost enough to make you run out & buy one of
These :-))
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: you eat the bear - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 17:32
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 17:32
Crackles,
I drove both the Prado and the LC76 and bought the latter.
Arguably this is the best "out of the box" 4WD you can buy.
The Prado is a more comfortable vehicle but nowhere near as tough.
Any 4WD will need the
suspension upgraded before you use it in anger.
And upgraded tyres.
Rear legroom? If you are touring Australia you'll be taking the back seats out (4 bolts) or buying a trailer, whichever of the 2 you buy.
The front seats are not that bad.
Mine are staying in.
Fuel
tank is 90 liters (about 700Kms range erring on the side of caution) and that is the only real advantage of the Prado. Plus you'll be buying a
snorkel for the Prado no doubt (standard on the LC76).
If you want a serious off road vehicle to last you 20 years and the one with the highest resale value, then out of the two, buy the LC76.
If you want an everyday car with reasonable off road capability then buy the Prado.
Helski, I live in Nth
Croydon if you want to have a look at
mine.
Done:
Dual Battery system
ARB bar and IPF lights
Best Off Road Drawer System
Hayman Reese towbar
5 x BFG Muddies
To do:
Suspension upgrade
Stephen
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Follow Up By: helski - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 18:18
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 18:18
Stephen,
Thank you, your post was spot on. We would not consider a Prado for the kind of trip we are doing. We don't mind the basic features, we are more interested in what is under the bonnet. And my sister when she comes to join us will maybe have to go on the roof!
Can I just check, is your LC76 the workmate or the GXL? We'd love to have a look at it if you're around at the w/e and we could come down, we are in the YV?
Cheers,
H&A
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Follow Up By: you eat the bear - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 19:52
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 19:52
Its the GXL.
I can come over to Yarra Glen.
Send me your contact details to my email and we'll make a time.
Sunday is Fathers Day lunch but otherwise the 4x4 show is on in
Melbourne.
Anyway nana1@bigpond.com
Stephen
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 15:39
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 15:39
Helski,
take into account that the Wagon and the Troopy are very similar in most respects but the Troopy has twice the fuel capacity of the Wagon.
Could be very important feature touring the outback.
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:12
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:12
H&A
Whilst I am not an owner of one of these, I have taken a second hand one for a
test drive and had a good look through one. These are my thoughts on them:
General drivability: I drove it on the freeway and around town a little, but not on the dirt or offroad, so can't comment there. On the road, it is noisier than my pov pack 105 series and I found the
suspension a little harsher and not as 'forgiving' (I have Koni/King springs in my 105). Power was great with oodles of torque and plenty of power for overtaking and keeping up with the traffic. It would be a great towing engine.
Interior: You either love them or hate them and I assume you love them having a 73 series at the moment. (I also had one of these a few years ago..) Personally I would be happy with the interior (there is a newer interior coming out with bean bags and the like which should be 'safer). It seems very basic inside for a car that costs as much as it does and I don't really think they're value for $, but you often get that with Toyota.... Seats were fairly ordinary, even compared to my GXL buckets that I put in my pov pack. I measured the storage area of the car in comparison to my 105 and whilst the 105 seems much bigger internally, there actually isn't that much difference... slightly narrower and a few cm shorter from memory.
Underneath: Seems fairly simple with rigid front
suspension, but there isn't much protection for the drive train which is similar to most offerings these days....(the old SWB had these great thick transmission bash plates).
To be honest, it was interesting getting back into my 105 after driving one. Much less power but a much smoother and quieter ride. I would like one of the 76 series for their simplicity (even though the is a myriad of electrickery controlling the engine management) and general robustness, but at the price they want for one of them either new of with low km..... looks like I'll be keeping the 105 for a while yet.
May strap a turbo on the old 105 after all ?!???!?
Cheers,
Mark
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:26
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:26
Mark, did you drive the GXL or the Workmate? The Workmate has split rims and super grippers (which probably don't give the best ride) while the GXL has alloys and different tyres. I'd expect that because of this, the GXL should ride better than the Workmate?
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:35
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:35
Gidday
Storage room in the 105 and 76 series wagons may be similar but if you are planning on having back
seat passengers anywhere above average size think hard about the 76. I have travelled in the deserts in the back of both and I'm 185cm and the 76 was not a real good place to be behind a tallish driver.
Cheers
Rocco
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:58
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 16:58
Tim,
It was the GXL that I had a
test drive of. It had about 50k km on the clock and felt fairly new. They wanted $59k for it at my local stealer, however... :-0
Offered my $18k trade in for my 105 with 102k on the clock.......... told him he was dreaming.................
Cheers,
Mark
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Follow Up By: helski - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 17:20
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 17:20
thanks all of you for all your comments and input - invaluable, it does sound like we need to find one and
test drive it so that's our next challenge!
Andrew (driver!) keeps telling me we can take the '85 73 series heavy duty beast and tow a trailer, but being a mid wheel base, even with a trailer we won't have room for all my 'stuff''!
And then he mutters about doing the Chevy diesel V8 conversion at considerable expense too!
Any thoughts? Apart from find another 'driver'! Thanks guys,
H (and A)
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 22:12
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 22:12
"I measured the storage area of the car in comparison to my 105 and whilst the 105 seems much bigger internally, there actually isn't that much difference"
Possibly you should look at getting your tape measure recalabrated Mark. The rear axle is about 100mm narrower than the front & that translates inside as
well. The depth from memory was 120mm shorter(than a 100 series), no big deal I hear you say except if you have a 73 litre Autofridge which will no longer fit lenghthways. In comparison to the base model 105 series (which the 76 replaced) not only is the cargo area smaller, so is the leg room in both the front & rear.
Like you're concidering, I fitted a turbo to the old 1HZ to last me through until a new model comes up.
Cheers Craig................
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 20:20
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 20:20
I have had the Cab Chassis GXL for just over a week. Have put almost 3000 k's on it. It has the plastic dash with airbags and so far it is a great piece of machinery. Is a little hard in the
suspension but you have to espect that being a cab chassis.
Took it four wheel driving at about 250k and it seemed to do all right. Am looking forward to taking it for a real
test though once I have it fully set up.
1st tank got 13.2l to the hundred but there was terrific cross winds on the F3, this tank seems to be getting better.
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Follow Up By: Grunter65 - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 21:14
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 21:14
Most attractive Nissan I've ever seen - good job!
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 22:08
Monday, Aug 31, 2009 at 22:08
Next mission is to get the girls on the Cruiser :) would prefer to have the new toy as my profile
pic but I just can't seem to part with the girls :)
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Follow Up By: Grunter65 - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 19:07
Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 19:07
The girls certainly do highlight the good looks of the car don't they,
well done!
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 22:37
Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 22:37
U know what.... I think I might just say it is my new cruiser and no one will take any notice of the vehicle... LOL
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Follow Up By: Grunter65 - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 07:27
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 07:27
Must admit, it took me a few minutes to even care what type the vehicle was!
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