The Near Impossible Track - Canning Stock Route

I've been reading someone's diary about their CST journey last year and they mention a difficult 4WD ascent and descent between Wells 25 and 28 (can't pinpoint it any more accurately than that from their diary) which is apparently "well known" as The Near Impossible Track - even though none of my desert maps nor the Explore Australia 4x4 bible mentions it. Can anyone shed more light? (We're planning to tackle the CSR next year.)
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 00:15

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 00:15
I guess its the same old story as to the individual interpretation of "difficult"

I completed the CSR in June and found no section that could be described as difficult in my view and certainly nothing between Well's 25 and 28 in particular that was any different to the rest of the route.

There was two vehicles (Mine and one other) and both of us towed off road trailers south to north, we constantly came across tag a long groups heading south that would say to us that we would have real difficulties with the "Big Dunes" further north.
Needless to say I'm still waiting for the big dunes to appear.

The route is long and can be very rough in so far a corrugations are concerned you need to ensure your vehicle is in top working order to cope with the conditions encountered and carry a heavy load of fuel etc but its not a difficult 4wd trip as such in my view.
Take your time and enjoy as most issues suffered by travellers are speed related.

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:05

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:05
Hey Big John, you only mention your vehicle needs to be in top working order. I thought the same should apply to your trailer. From the reports we received, your trailer needed some major surgery in Halls Creek after completing the Canning.

Sounds like the other convoys were right in that some of those dunes were harder than you thought. BTW, I see your travelling companions's Tvan made it through without any issues.

Are you planning of upgrading to a more reliable trailer for your next outback trip?
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 06:24

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 06:24
Yes Laurie all your gear as you know, the CSR corrugations will find any weakness in your gear.

As I said its a rough track but not difficult so far as a four wheel drive track is concerned if it rains then that would change pretty quick.

Nothing to dramatic that a bit of bush mechanics couldn't cope with.
Remember the much vaunted Tvan required new Koni shocks and that was before we even departed Wiluna.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 09:25

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 09:25
At least Track's MC2 suspension actually works!

Most camper trailers have suspension so heavy duty & oversprung that the shockers never do any real work.

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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 09:29

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 09:29
Pretty easy repair, replacing shocks on a T van.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 13:32

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 13:32
Yep no issue changing out the Tvan shocks once a set was available.

In this instance they had failed a week or so earlier whilst the owner was doing Googs track on the way over to Wiluna.
He rang me and I picked up the new set from Track in Melbourne and brought them over to Wiluna so we could do the change before heading north.
Not a very good reflection on Koni shocks less than 12 months old.

The MC2 suspension worked very well indeed (With new shocks) I was most impressed with its performance over the course of the trip.
It behaved very poorly by all accounts with crook shocks, lesson in this instance is to carry a spare set.

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:21

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:21
Hey, you have changed the subject to Tvans. From the stories I received, your trailer was in a very bad way when reached the top of the Canning. mmm.. pictures do tell!
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:53

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:53
Whats the old saying Laurie??

"News of my death is greatly exaggerated"

So whats your point??

As I said a bit of bush mechanics and 10 minutes with a welder and problem solved.
At no time was there any issue with not being able to continue the trip, all wheels on the ground and rolling and the bush repair worked well and held from just after Well 49 to Old Halls Creek a distance of quite a few hundred kilometres.

The CSR is a rough track and it will find and exploit any weakness in any aspect of your gear, we passed a Nissan at Well 30 changing out all 4 shockers, a Rodeo Ute at Well 33 waiting for new rear leaf springs due to snapping one and a Hilux returning to Well 33 with a holed battery due apparently to the battery cradle breaking and the battery rubbing on some part of the vehicle.
And in my case a crap weld on the trailer showed itself, from my perspective it was better latter on the track than earlier but would have preferred that it did not happen at all but $hit happens and you deal with it.

Its a long rough track but not a hard 4wd track in my view and certainly no part of the route is "Near impossible to drive" which is what the original post was all about.

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Reply By: Michael A (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 08:45

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 08:45
conditions always changing depending on the weather. Be over prepared and enjoy. It is a great trip.

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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:40

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:40
Graham,
The new ExplorOz Treknote mapping system can answer all your questions about altitude profiles for each section of the track.

If you go to the trek note for the Canning Stock Route - move down to the map - use the moving map tool use the Fwd > button to get to the section you are after in your case Well 25 - Well 26 then click on Altitude Profile and you will be presented with a graph like this:

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Then Well 26 to Well 27

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The Well 27 to Helen Hill

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And last but not least Helen Hill to Well 27

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The profiles produced on the system will also report the steepest incline and decline grade and for these sections the highest is 4.71%. Highest single peak is on around 30m. having done this trek and actually recorded the data being used I can tell you there is nothing impossible on the actual track.

I do recall a hill in this area that had tyre tracks on it and it was a very steep and was most likley impossible however it was not part of the route just somewhere that some people have decided to try to climb a hill. On a route like the Canning I cannot understand why you would take the risk to do something like this in the middle on nowhere but hey people do what people do.

Anyway Have a look through the mapping system on the treks there is a wealth on information being displayed in the new mapping system window.

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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:37

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 14:37
Gidday

Everybody who has been on that part of the CSR will know the hill you mean. It is not a dune but a little round rocky hill of which there are several around there. I wish I had a photo of it. Talk about environmental vandalism. Some genius decided there was a hill and he would drive over it. Over the years many others have followed and there are distinct tracks up one side and down the other. Environmental scientists try to discourage off track excursions as the tracks will last for decades in that country and inevitably others will follow them. That hill will never recover.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 15:22

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 15:22
I think this is the hill your referring to??
Its between Well 29 and 30 the track up is around the left side when viewing these pictures I didn't actually take a picture of the track itself.

Agree with Davids sentiments over climbing such a hill in such a remote place.


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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 16:15

Wednesday, Sep 09, 2009 at 16:15
John

You are testing me here ... Is this Thring Rock? We spent a tough night camped there trying to get out of the wind last August. Classic case of ignoring the adage of not driving past a good campsite after 4pm unless you definitely know what is up ahead.

The hill I am thinking of was smaller and rounder and without checking my notes probably further south. Maybe nearerwell 26? Is that the one that has been restored?


Anyway, matters not. The point is made about driving up hills for fun.

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rocco.

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Reply By: Graham Tillotson - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:15

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:15
Thanks to everybody for the excellent responses which definitely clears up the mystery. I strongly suspected that The Near Impossible Track was not an official part of the CSR - which now seems to be the case.

Now, here's another question. The same diary refers to fuel problems. Yes these travellers were able to get fuel at Kunawarritji but report that no fuel was available at the Capricorn Roadhouse Fuel Dump, citing that "the refuelling arrangement with the nearby Homestead who used to arrange for the fuel no longer operates as their truck had broken down".

Now, we find this a little strange. Our understanding is that 6 to 8 weeks in advance of your departure you need to ring the Capricorn Roadhouse in Newman (not a local Homestead) to make your arrangements for a fuel dump.

Can anybody clear this matter up??

And finally, do you think we could do the CSR in a 3 litre diesel turbo Nissan Patrol Wagon?? We're reasonably competent 4x4 drivers.

Many thanks once again.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:40

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:40
Fuel is now again available via Capricorn Roadhouse.
Was a period last year that they did not undertake fuel drops due to no suitable truck.

New truck and business as usual.
You will notice your follow up has hyperlinks in blue which the EO site does automatically as it recognised key words and phrases.
Click on the Capricorn Roadhouse link and it will provide all the contact info you need to get in touch and ask them directly for details on ordering and paying etc etc.
Also have a read of the Trek notes for the CSR on this site for details on fuel consumption etc.
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