Dual Battery System Novice

I confess I am a novice when it comes to dual battery systems. I have only just found out that my second battery shares its earth with the main battery, that is, the chassis. I found out by virtue of some sparks!

I didn't think that was possible. Are all systems hooked up this way?

Thanks, Ian
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 19:10

Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 19:10
Hi Ian,

Yes mate, the earth is common in all circumstances.

The battery or batteries are connected to the vehicle chassis and engine block from the negative terminal.

In a "smart" dual battery system an Isolator is installed between the positive or active terminal post of each battery.
Only when the starting battery has reached a certain voltage will the Isolator allow current to flow to the auxiliary battery.
In this situation, the two batteries are electrically isolated from each other and a failure or flattening of one, will not impact the other.

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Follow Up By: Imstat - Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 19:46

Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 19:46
Thanks Bill, Very interesting.

This is a bit theoretical, but do you reckon the current from the second battery finds it way back to the second battery only or both batteries. Totally irrelevant I know, but interesting.

I will have a closer look at my system and nut it out. That's probably in my interest.

Cheers Ian
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 21:04

Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 21:04
Ian,

Current doesn't flow back to a battery. It is "energy" drawn from the battery by the load connected to it. (fridge, spot lights, winch. etc.) It is a one way flow from the battery to the hungry little bugger wanting a feed:-)).


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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 22:59

Friday, Sep 11, 2009 at 22:59
Don't listen to him Ian, he's fooling with you.

Electrical current does flow back to its source which I guess is why we call it a "circuit". There has to be a return path and a complete circuit or current will not flow at all and there would be no energy transfer.

Your two batteries sharing the same "earth" (vehicle body) is somewhat like two adjacent racetracks....... they both share the same ground (earth) but each is a circuit and the horses complete their circuits and return to their starting point.

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 06:17

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 06:17
That's interesting Allan.

This would mean that even though a load is applied to the battery and draws say 10 amps, this current is returned to the battery?

Gee, that would mean the battery would never become flat.

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Follow Up By: Imstat - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 06:36

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 06:36
Thanks Allan and Bill,

I get it now I think: The Earth is SHARED so each battery can do its own thing and the current flowing in each battery's circuits can find its way home to that battery using the common earth.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Cheers Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 09:01

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 09:01
It doesn't matter if an Electron starting from Battery A ends up at Battery A or Battery B.

What WILL happen is that the current (number of electrons) leaving Battery A will be the same as the current (number of electrons) returning to Battery A.
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:27

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:27
Hey Sandman, "Gee, that would mean the battery would never become flat."

You ARE kidding, aren't you? Or do you seek an explanation?

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:50

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:50
Yes Allan,

I am definitely kidding.

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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:21

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:21
Sandman, Thank God you told me that before I made a prat of myself going into a long-winded explanation !!!
I have trouble remembering who knows their stuff on this site. Maybe I had better keep a record to remind me

Anyway, Happy Fara Day to you mate.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 09:06

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 09:06
"I have only just found out that my second battery shares its earth with the main battery, that is, the chassis."

- In modern cars, EVERYTHING gets its Earth return via connection to the body, except the Starter Motor, which is wired back to the Battery because of the high current it draws.


"I found out by virtue of some sparks! "
???? That needs some explaining.


"I didn't think that was possible. "
???? That needs some explaining.


Are all systems hooked up this way?
- YES.
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Follow Up By: Imstat - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:17

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:17
Sparks: I was removing the canopy from my tray back - first time. There is a heavy wire running from the aux (2nd) battery to the interior of the canopy to a box with plugged outlets - to run accessories, fridge etc.

Now, when I undid the heavy wire it hit the body of the tray and welded itself there for a second. I think it is a 'proper' aux batt system (not b/dodgy) and it has circuit protection. Nonetheless, it was the SPARKS that made me pose this question . I thought the heavy wire/cable had a return wire to the aux battery (its own earth wire) but it doesn't.

"I didn't think that was possible":
I was wondering how the two batteries could interact. But as you say, the electrons will go to Battery A or B. Electrons are electrons. I get it thanks.

Cheers Ian
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Reply By: Craigww24 - Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:35

Saturday, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:35
Hi, the sparks could be due to something like a fridge or radio connected to that battery wanting to draw current and when or if the earth was reconnected through being loose or something like that sparks can occur. The larger the device hanging off that battery the larger the current draw the larger the sparks.
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