Africampers

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 at 21:05
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Hi all,
Has anyone out there heard anything or have a Africamper Conqueror / Commander. They are a hard body similar to the Kimberly Karavan. I'd just like to know if they are any good as an Off Road Camper.
We looked at one today and the price is about $10,000 cheaper than a Kimberly, they say they have been around for 10 years and used by the South African Army
All replies will be gratefully received
Tony & Lesley
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Reply By: Member - Gouger (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 at 21:30

Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 at 21:30
RUBBISH - STAY LOCAL WHICH HAVE USED LOCAL COMPONENTS WHICH ARE STILL AVAILABLE AND SO IS TECHNICAL SUPPORT. THERE ARE OPPORTUNIISTS OUT THERE THAT MAKE WILD CLAIMS AND SELL FOR A VERY SUBSTANTIAL DISCOUNT OFF COMPARABLE PRICES FOR LOCALLY BUILT STUFF. THERE IS ENOUGH LOCAL STUFF CLAIMING MILITARY STANDARDS BUT HAVE NOT SUPPLIED THE MILITARY FOR OVER 10 YEARS. BEWARE OF CLAIMS!. YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES. I HAVE A FRIEND WANTING TO CHANGE HUBS ON AN IMPORTED HEAP OF CRAP AND NO SUPPORT AT ALL. STAY LOCAL AND YOU WILL BE SUPPORTED OTHERWISE GIVE IT AWAY. LET US KEEP JOBS IN AUSTRALIA AND SUPPORT OUR INDUSTRY.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 at 21:46

Sunday, Oct 18, 2009 at 21:46
I assume that you are new to the internet and if not then maybe very naive....

Typing in Upper Case is deemed as 'SHOUTING' and is frowned upon. It is the lazy persons way of communicating in cyberspace.

Do the right thing!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:35

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:35
What about the "local manufacrurers" that are now sourcing everything from complete campers to tent tops & components from China, do we boycott them?

How many of us drive Japanese vehicles?



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Follow Up By: Member - Gouger (Vic) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:30

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:30
You raise a very good point Shaker and one which is extremely widespread in what is left of our once widespread manufacturing industry.I am sure there are some manufacturers that source overseas and assemble locally - some of the gear may be good.I try and buy local where I can because there is a better chance of aftersales service, parts availalbility, product knowledge etc than from a PO Box or a "back yarder" here today gone tomorrow and selling something else. I chose the Crossover because it is locally built and designed. I have been to the factory and a huge percentage of the components are made on site - all steel work, walls are vacuumed formed, powder coating etc.Agree some components such as lights,solar panels etc are imported but towing hitch is local, their door hinges on storage bins are local etc.The Australian value added is very high - they employ a factory full of sheet metal people and millions of dollars of computer managed laser cutters etc , but suspect they are under constant pressure from imports - especially with the rising dollar.I have resorted to a Japanese car because choice is limited as we all know.I started as a lot of us would with a Sydney assembled Land Rover!I make a point of asking where things are made I have to say but the answer is becoming more and more "Chinese".I think the manufacturing industry will unfortunately disappear over the next number of years and we will have to rely on imports. Lets hope that former manufacturers become the importers with solid establishments behind them with industry and product knowledge.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:08

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:08
If you are talking about the Vista Crossover, then congratulations on a fine purchase.
The designer Alan Mawson was one of the greats of the camper industry & is sadly missed.

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Follow Up By: Member - Gouger (Vic) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 13:03

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 13:03
You are right about Alan - a great bloke and excellent designer and missed by all that new him. I have owned a few of his outfits over the years. The owner of Vista,where the Crossover was conceived is an engineer and has refined and improved the Crossover even more with many new developments included.I am pleased with the Crossover and its performance in some tough going.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 20:28

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 20:28
I don't think it matters where it is made - just be wary of whatever you buy - Australian made or not. This one was purchased buy my mate last year - all locally made (in Australia) but it failed on its first trip - had to be brought back on a tilt tray:

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Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:47

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:47
Wamuranman I had a problem with an Aust. made camper product recently, although it was one of the mid priced model. I would have thought that it would have lasted longer in the outback !
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 21:25

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 21:25
Thats exactly what my point is Tony, just because it is made in Australia does not guarantee its going to last - just as you can't assume overseas products are no good - some are and some probably are not.
The one above I pictured was sold as "off road" camper but in the lower price range - but failed in just mild dirt road conditions on its first trip.
Have a good trip

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:11

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:11
Tony,

they piqued my interest at one of the recent caravan and camping shows so I had a good look over them. They appear solid enough and have quality workmanship. My only concern is that they appear a bit tizzie to set up. There is a certain ease with the Kimberley where as the conqueror has bits and bobs popping out of everywhere. It is a smaller and lighter beast though and that is a consideration. Have not see or heard about one on the track. Have however seen a lot of KK's out and about this year. Admittedly all behind pristine looking Prados and Pajero's and on bitumen although I did come across one on the Canning at Durba Spring in 2007.

Gouger does make a point, and one that is worth "SHOUTING" about in my view. Always good to go Aussie made.Kimberley put a lot of their units on the road and you can probably be confident that their products have been tested in the Australian Environment. At their price, you would also expect good quality, warranty and aftersales back-up. All much easier with a home grown product and major considerations in my book. Then again, $10K buys a lot of fuel.

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Reply By: Member - Gouger (Vic) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:20

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:20
Sorry Willem - you are correct of course! Wish I was new! - bought first computer in 1985 - just stupid in old age! Hope you took in the content however.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 15:05

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 15:05
LOL......we have all been around for a while, it seems.

I got the point of your message. Unfortunately the bottom line is profit and survival and so imported goods at a cheaper price will always be more attractive to the manufacturer and to the buyer.
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Reply By: Member - Gouger (Vic) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 15:55

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 15:55
yeah I wish just now I was surfin' porcupine grass ,Willem.
I suspect we are both right - but me only in pricipal as the flat earth economists set us on the trail to destruction in the early '70's and the job is nearly finished.I recall the farmer lobbyists telling me their input costs were too high meaning they could buy imported inputs and be competitively globally. they have all the cheap inputs they can get get now but are they any better off - the short answer is no because of government subsidies their competitors get paid. We could continue forever on this one - sorry again for "shouting" but nice to make yours and Sahaker's aquaintance via this site. If I hadn't have shouted I wouldn't have had this discussion.All the best in your travels sounds as if you know what you are about.

kind regards

Gouger
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 20:00

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 20:00
Didn't intend to start any fights (ha ha ha) but I was just lookin at the Afri. at a camper yard in Belmont NSW. Not really after a new one yet still in my first trying to set it up,but you gotta look and ask question?
Thanks for all the replies
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Reply By: Africampers - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:00

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:00
Hi Tony & Lesley,

I have an obvious interest in this topic, and as certain statements have been made would appreciate the right of reply and to state the direction for Africampers and Conqueror in Australia.

Africampers is a wholly owned local business with the prime purpose of supplying Conqueror products - it is our sole reason for existence. Conqueror Australia has been formed to manufacture Conqueror's locally to suit local conditions and with full manufacturers warranties.

Conqueror South Africa has been in business for more than 20 years - 15 of which to manufacture trailers and vehicles used in combat by the South African Army - a fact that can be verified. They have been manufacturing Conqueror off-road campers and caravans for the last 7 years. Their products are extensively being used by off-road rental companies and have travelled throughout most of Africa - where the road conditions are at least comparable to what Australia can offer.

As to suitability as on off road camper - the Commander on display at Belmont has already travelled more tha 5,000km off-road - including areas such as the Flinders, Arkaroola, Strzlecki, Innamincka, Cameron Corner, White Cliffs an up the Darling. It will shortly be covering Goog's Track as well. You've seen the condition the Commander is in, and the fact that it can be shown as a display model should be testament of it's durability.

As to the price - and not wanting to draw a direct comparison with Kimberley Karavan - the price for a Kimberley Karavan was about $40,000 more than the Commander the last time that I enquired - not $10,000.

As to setting it up - for an overnight stop, travelling with 2 people, it can be set up within a matter of minutes by just popping up the roof and sliding out the kitchen unit. If required, it can be left fully closed and attached to the vehicle for an overnight stop in the middle of a city after returning from the theatre.

I totally understand that there is some reluctance to invest in a concept new to Australia - therefore am keen to provide you with as much information and demonstrations as required. Please feel free to contact me at any time should you want a more detailed discussion of the features or direction for Conqueror in Australia.

Regards,
Anton
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:14

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 19:14
I have sent you an email for more info.
Are the photos on your website meant to enlarge as they are too small to get a good idea of the camper.

As a matter of interest, will you also be handling the Supra?

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 20:00

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 20:00
Your reply Anton covered what I was after and yes the model on display at Belmont does look like NEW and that it has not done the k's that it has. It does seem a bit fiddly with all the internal pockets but externally it seems to be up to the riggers of the Australian Outback and have all the options that I would want.
As I'm just looking at the moment we will keep an eye out to see how they travel, at least its got Shaker interested
I to looked at the web site and the pics are to small to really see your Camper properly.
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Follow Up By: Africampers - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 23:02

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 23:02
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