Sydney, Cameron Corner to Uluru

Submitted: Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 17:46
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Hi,
Looking at doing our first trip into the Center. We currently drive aTribute and just wondering if towing a trailer is a sensible option or sticking with a roof rack is the way to go? Asking because I have no idea of the road conditions.
Thanks
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Reply By: dirttracker - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 18:09

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 18:09
Peterjg,
I did a half lap with a Tribute V6 and pulled a camper. We went up the east coast, across the Savanah way, up to Darwin, down to the rock, through the painted desert into Oodnadatta, through the Flinders and back along the Murray. We had no touble at all including six river crossings on the Savanah. I would recommend the Tribute V6 as a very good soft roader. Not so confident in the 4 cyl.

As to using a trailer or putting it on the roof, it all depends on the load. I believe the roof load capacity in quite low, 70 kgs, but if you are not going to carry much then roof storage could be the way to go. I would look at a pod. We pulled about 1000 kgs without a prob and could do 140kph down the Stuart!
Regards
Martin
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Reply By: Gramps - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 18:30

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 18:30
Peter,

A few more knowledgeable posters will jump in soon with some advice but just a couple of quick questions first

Which way do you intend to travel to Cameron Corner? Any way you choose from Sydney means several hundred kms of dirt/gravel roads. Then there's quite a few hundred more to the Centre.

How long do you have to do this trip? You won't be able to travel at 100kph all the way.

Do you have a reliable compressor for your tyres ? You may need to air down/up for some sections.

Do you carry a second spare tyre?

When do you plan to travel? It's getting warm out there.

Do you have a tyre repair kit (plugs/patches etc)?

Your answers to the above will help other posters help you.

Regards

Al
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Follow Up By: peterjg - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 20:44

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 20:44
Looking at going mid 2010. Not sure which way we would go, that's one of the reasons I asked the original question.

Looking at spending 3 to 4 weeks away.

We have a compressor.

Have been wondering about the second spare & no repair kit at the moment but it is an obvious part of the stuff we would need to purchase.

Thanks for your input.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:30

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:30
Peter,

I'm just back from a trip to the Corner over the last two weeks. The dirt/gravel sections of road vary considerably in condition. Corrugations and bulldust are quite bad in places but not for very long sections. A Tribute with trailer (not sure about POD) would be OK providing it was driven sensibly and to the prevailing conditions.

Three possible routes could be

Alt 1.
Sydney to Broken Hill is about 1120kms of bitumen.
Broken Hill to Tibooburra is about 336kms of dirt/gravel and bitumen (maybe 50/50).
Tibooburra to Cameron Corner is about 140km of dirt/gravel

Alt 2.
Sydney to White Cliffs is about 1052kms of bitumen
White Cliffs to Tibooburra is about 247kms of dirt/gravel (very little bitumen)
Tibooburra to Cameron Corner is about 140km of dirt/gravel

Alt 3.
Sydney to Bourke is about 771kms of bitumen
Bourke to Tibooburra is about 417kms of dirt/gravel
Tibooburra to Cameron Corner is about 140km of dirt/gravel

We drove from Sydney to Bourke then the eastern side of the Darling to Wilcannia, White Cliffs, Tibooburra, CC then out via 'Olive Downs' to Tibooburra and across to Wanaaring, Bourke, Brewarrina, Walgett, etc.

Regards

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Follow Up By: peterjg - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 16:03

Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 16:03
Thanks, very helpful.
Peter
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 19:12

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 19:12
Your question contains too little information
As previously said
which way from Sydney to Camerons Corner?
which way from CC to where?
how long are you planning to take?
how many people are you taking?
what type of trailer do you have, old box trailer or off road camper trailer?
Do you know the weight limit of your roof and racks?
What type of tyres and how much tread is left on them.

Research the above and then you will get answers that will be of value.

In short a mechanically sound Tribute will make it comfortably to Camerons Corner, down the Strezleki track, then bitumen to Uluru. That assumes you drive "to the conditions", generally meaning maximum 80km/hour with near new good tyres and have a maximum of two people in the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: peterjg - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 20:52

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 20:52
As I said above, the way we go depends on the types of road that a softroader can handle best. I know the Tribute isn't a full on 4wd so I know it has its limitations.
It would be me, the wife and 2 kids for 3 or 4 weeks.
Trailer is a fibreglass pod trailer. Not an off road trailer as it currently is. Would need better tyres and a few other modifications.
Not sure of the weight limit on the roof, but I would aim to use the heavy duty rhino bars and rack we had on our old Pajero.
I am looking to put AT tyres on before we go.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 21:37

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 21:37
With additional details you have provided, I would NOT go too far off the bitumen with the pod, for below mentioned corrugation reasons. See Mandrake's (?) thread with last 24 hours about his pod, it basically shook to bits.
Tribute is quite capable of driving those roads with 1-2 persons travelling lightly and carefully, you don't even need AWD, 2WD with ground clerance is fine.
Probability of being stranded somewhere with a broken pod and having to abondon gear is high. It just isn't worth it with the family when you have time constraints.
Stick to the bitumen and do day trips from your base without the Traiiler and extra weight. Cameron's Corner & return is easily done in a day from Tibooburra. You would only "waste" 1-2 days travel.
Likewise at Alice, you can base yourself there and do plenty of day trips to gravel roaded attractions the East and West Mac Ranges. At Coober Pedy, you can do the Painted Desert in a day as well.
Having done something similar this year, I suggest with a family you will be pushing it uphill to do it all comfortably in 3 weeks. Leave Tibooburra & Camerons Corner for another year
Not saying you physically can't do it, but there are too many risks for my liiking. Another alternative is to rent a light off road camper trailer.
Avagood time no matter what you do, but make sure you do go.
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Reply By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 19:21

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 19:21
Peter
Firstly, I wouldn't place too much weight on the advice of a person who thinks it's something to brag about that he can tow a 1000kg at 140kph. In response to your question, it really depends on where you intend going, and what you consider you have to carry. Sure the Tribute is a competent vehicle, but like all soft roaders it has its limitations. If you intend to stick to the bitumen, you will probably be able to tow a trailer and travel quite comfortably. If, however, you intend to travel on the Oodnadatta Track, or any of those similar outback tracks you could strike problems with a trailer. Firstly you have to be prepared to fit appropriate tyres. The corrugations and gravel in the outback will rip your normal street tyres to shreds. But the major difficulty with that part of our great land is the unpredictability of it all. The outback tracks can vary from 4 lane highways to impassable bogheaps - and it only takes rain overnight to make the difference. We have camped on the side of the track for up to 72 hours waiting for the road to dry out and become passable. And even then it can be a nightmare for a "full" 4wd to get through. Add the dead weight of a trailer onto that and it becomes even more difficult. You will hear countless stories of people who have taken soft roaders into the outback and come back unscathed. You never hear of the unsuccessful ones, perhaps partly because of the embarassment factor. Sure you might get through, in fact you probably will. But, I wouldn't like to be putting my family into that situation, particularly if I had no experience in that area. Your concern about the road conditions is well founded, and unfortunatly, nobody can tell you what the conditions will be like at some time in the future.

teege
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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 19:26

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 19:26
Peter
Sorry, I didn't read the heading to your thread. I see you intend to go via Cameron Corner. My comments apply to any course you take from there.

teege
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Reply By: mikehzz - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:21

Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:21
Make sure you have good tyres (preferably AT type at least) is all I will say, and carry an extra spare especially if you have an uncommon size. You really don't need 4wd to do Sydney, Cameron Corner, Strezlecki Track, Oodnadatta track, Uluru in dry weather, but if it rains then it can be a different story. The only other way is through the Simpson Desert and the Tribute would not be able to handle that at all. I don't think towing a trailer will be a problem. I've seen a number of XTrails out there near Innaminka with trailers.
Your tyres will cop a real hiding anywhere the road goes through the Sturt Stoney Desert, which is a lot of places. Starts near Tibooburra and on again off again to near Oodnadatta. The garages out there do a LOT of tyre repairs. The Pink Roadhouse has a leaflet with recommended pressures (all on the low side) for different type of vehicles but its a bit late getting that info after you've already made it there. Same comments (tyre pressures too high) from the guys at Mt Dare and Birdsville.
Those in big rigs with heavy duty tyres may think I'm over reacting, but I've been out there with normal HT road tyres and I won't make that mistake again. I've had quite a few trips out there with proper tyres on proper 4by's and didn't overly notice the normal gravel roads. The last trip I had HT's because that was what came with the car and I was conscious of every rock after losing 2 tyres with 2000km's still to get home.
Other than that, its a great trip which I'm sure you will enjoy.

Mike
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:07

Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:07
By the way, you could do Sydney, Broken Hill, Wilpena Pound, Port Augusta, Coober Pedy, Uluru, Alice Springs and never leave the black top. Still a fantastic trip without the worry (or extra expense) of whether the car can handle it.
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Reply By: bockstar1 - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:35

Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:35
Hi there

We did the Red Centre last year towing an off road camper (Brand = Challenge) and driving a Tribute - Sydney via the blacktop to Alice and back. We did the Mareenie Loop from Kings Canyon to Alice.

As people have mentioned, off road tyres. I have BFGs ATs.

Replace the space saver with a full size one. The plastic cover on the spare will need a modification to fit in the full size spare.

I think the limit on the roof racks is 40kgs (brilliant eh?).

Ensure your shocks and springs are okay. The Tribute has some weak parts in the front end (control arms etc). Make sure they are okay. Also carry some spares, eg top & bottom radiator hoses. In this way, you won';t have to wait for parts to be shipped in.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: peterjg - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 16:04

Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 16:04
Thanks, very helpful
Peter
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