Hi All Im New To Caravaning
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 21:55
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Firstly Hi,
My name is Steve and I am new to caravaning and all that goes with it. I currently purchased a 2001 17' Jayco Freedom and I am towing it with a 2001 Mitsubishi Pajero GLS. My Tekonsha Prodigy brake controller was fitted last week and so on Sunday I thought I would hook the van up,take it for a drive and set the brake controller up. There I was following the destructions however they said that setting it to 6.0 could get the brakes to lock up and then just back it off,
well I did that and then kept going with the strength until I got to 12 and still no lock up so I just put it back to 6.0 and left it at that. The van was slowing down but not what I expected. Now last night I was checking the van lights and noticed that when in reverse, the reverse lights come on my car but not on my van. Is this normal? As stated im new to this and also not an auto electrician and didn't realise that my van doesn't have reverse lights and was wondering if its legal.
anyways thanks for listening to me dribble on and glad l found this site ;)
cheers
Steve
Reply By: GerryP - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:15
Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:15
Hi Steve,
Regarding the reversing lights, while there is a pin on the plug reserved for reversing/auxiliary (pin no 3), many vans do not have reversing lights fitted but as far as know this is perfectly legal.
Since the Prodigy is showing a voltage when connected to the van, it must be connected ok and sensing a load. The prodigy will tell you if there is an open circuit or an overload. Assuming all is
well electrically, then I would suggest that your brakes may need adjusting on the van as with 12 volts going to them, they should be working pretty hard or locking up. If the adjustment is out and there is too large a gap between the drum and brake shoes, then braking will be reduced.
Cheers
Gerry
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Follow Up By: kend88 - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:50
Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:50
I have found with my van brakes, (and Prodigy), that it takes about a km and a bit of gentle pumping of the brakes for them to become really effective. Sometimes I increase the boost for the first few km's if on a busy road, until they warm up.
kenD
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:39
Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:39
Could I respectfully point out PIN 2 is usually reverse lights and is usually used for auxilary.
It is on a 7 pin anyway and also a 12 pin
Pin 3 is earth.
The brakes on my van werent working too
well as I could tell by how hot each drum was EG 1 too hot to touch 1 cold 2 warm.
Got them adjusted and bearings done and wow nearly shot me thru the windscreen.
Brake guy had wound the Prodigy up to 10, nearly left the van behind.
wound it back to 6 and its fine.
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Follow Up By: GerryP - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 21:41
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 21:41
You are absolutely correct Graham. The reverse/auxiliary is indeed PIN 2.
My apologies and thanks for pointing that out.
Cheers
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 21:58
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 21:58
No probs Just would have lit up his life a bit if he stuck it on 3 LOL
Been there done that.
Personally I think that normal trailer wiring is too light for power and have a 2 B& S feed thru an Anderson plug.
AS
well as the wiring being too light the pins except on a large 7 pin are too small as
well
My electric brakes have 2 6mm wires wownd together at the ends and I dont get voltage drop with that.
I adjust my Prodigy as follows.
get rig up to 45k apply manual slide Watch for reading when van tries to lock up and set it just below that.
Cheers
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:53
Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:53
G'day Steve,
As a followup to Gerry's reply, may I suggest you check out the following link:-
Electric Brake Troubleshooter
Bill.
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Reply By: jeep cherokee - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25
Hi Steve.I just had my van brakes serviced yesterday.I also have the Prodgy set up.The tec drove along the bitumen at around 40km and pulled the manual lever to engage the vans brakes.It read 9 on the readout and he was satisfied that it was braking evenly with the cars brakes ie: not too soon and not too late.He did mention that it may take another 300 odd km to get the brakes to wear in properly and that it might end up dropping down to aroung 7-8 by this time.
Hope this helps.
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Reply By: Roughasguts - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:26
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:26
I have never had
mine lock up either ! but remember they are inertia brakes so the more you stomp on the brake pedal the more they will supply braking to the trailer
wheels, You don't wan't them to lock up.
The other thing with the Prodigy is when there wound up to nearly full voltage the brakes tend to grab or stick on ! for a brief moment, when you drive off each time at the lights.
So yeah 6 I find is about the best for a smooth drive and yes they do need to warm up ! next to useless for a few k's when cold.
Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:35
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:35
Hi steve, Last week I was playing around with the lights and electric breaks and thought it was unusual not to have reverse lights. I didn't realise till then.
Sharon
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 16:30
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 16:30
1. Brakes - had a similar problem with my CT brakes when i first installed them, with a prodigy. Braked OK, sort of, but couldn't get lock up as per the instructions. Ended up being the earth. Ran a good earth wire from the 7 pin plug back to the battery, as
well earthing it locally. Made sure the trailer was
well earthed through the plug, and it came up good.
Few people here helped me on that one.
As said above, electric drum brakes do come on stronger after a few stops too.
I always like to touch my brakes a couple of times coming into a town to warm them up, or use the booster function on the controller for the first little while, then back it off.
2. Reversing lights. Yep, quite normal for installers not to hook up reverse. Not sure if you have a 7 pin plug, or the flat plug. 7 pin plugs have a reversing connection, but it is often used for 12v power to the van, if it is connected at all. I find most tow bar people/plug installers use 5 core cable, that is stop lights,
parking lights, left and right indicator, and earth. Leaves reverse/power and electric brakes empty.
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Reply By: vnss308 - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 21:13
Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 21:13
Hi Everyone,
firstly let me say thank you to you all, it has given me lots of things to think about and discuss with others, the insight into workings is great. Hopefully I will hook the van up on monday as im not working monday through thursday and will give it a go. As for the reversing lights, i checked the wiring and the installer has used the reversing pin for the trailer power ( i believe its called a hot wire or 12 volt feed wire) so its all good.
Once again thank you all for your thoughts and look forward to more chats along the way. Hope you dont mind me picking your brains from time to time
cheers
steve
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