2008 Triton T Diesel Engine Noise - Final

Submitted: Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:21
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Well my previous thread was archived so i couldn't add to it.....

Finally - after taking the car to MM about 7 times and them saying the had fixed the problem a solution has been found....

We did a compare with a new model and the fan didn't come on anywhere near as much...

Yes the fan is noisy but the problem was that there was air in the cooling system. They bleed the system and put through some new coolant and now the fan still comes on but only temporarily and then phases back out agin as it is supposed to do.

So yes - when towing up a hill in hot weather the fan should do a bit of work and make some noise as the clutch locks in and it runs at 100%, otherwise it should only come on briefly and intermittently in hot weather, not constantly as mine was doing.

I am yet to test it out in really hot weathr but as is it seems to be working a lot better now and turns on only briefly and back off....

So - if you are having similar problems, then maybe it is air in the system!!!!

The air doesnt allow the system to cool properly and thus the fan runs a lot more often and harder, thus very noise a lot!!

Cheers

James
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:35

Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:35
Hi James

Good to see the the noise has been found, But i would still be concerned as to why there was air in the system?, Hope not, but there could be another underlying problem there.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:05

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:05
Air in the system is usually a result of a coolant change or cooling system repair.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:48

Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:48
Is the fan really noisy when you are driving? (When it kicks in?) I can never hear mine?
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 22:04

Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 22:04
Gday all

Yes - VERY noisy. It kicks in at start up until you reach operating temperature. This is normal Mitsubishi mechanics tell me.

It has been staying on for trips of 80km or so at highway speeds - 110 km/hr before. Particularly in hot weather .. 25 degrees c plus.

I am surprised you can't hear yours at all! Yours is a diesel? What year model? Apparently only diesel have the mechanical clutch fan as they need the extra cooling.

You are starting to make me wonder if the loud noise is normal or not now! I'd say it would be acceptable if ot onlt comes on in extreme cases and breifly but in my cas e it has been coming on for very long periods of time when the motor is not working hard at all. I am waiting to give it a good run when the temperature picks up a bit again - above 25 degree c or so and see how it goes...

I asked about the air in the system issue, but they said they can;t see where it has come from, so I will be keeing an eye on that one and if I start having the same problems will be taking it back to them again...

Cheers

James
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Reply By: landed eagle - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 23:55

Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 23:55
I was towing a caravan with mine from Port Stephens and around the west of Sydney to Goulburn a few weeks ago,the day it got to about 36-37 deg. Mine only kicked in occasionally during some uphill stuff. I was expecting it to run all day considering how hot the outside temp was, but was quiet once the heavy hauling was done . Mine's the MY T/D manual model new last January.This was the way it was for about 9000 ks from Hobart to Port Douglas and back. Most days in Q'land it was about 30+ Deg.........hardly a noise from the fan.
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Follow Up By: Member- Tony C - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:52

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:52
Hi James,
I have never noticed any noise from the fan, which after your comments makes me wonder if it is working properly.
Mine does tend to heat up very quickely going up hill towing. Heading up a long steep climb to Omeo recently I had to stop several times to let it cool.

Cheers
Tony
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:31

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:31
G'day Tony

What year model is yours? If the cooling system is working properly it shouldn't be overheating. Was the long climb up the hill, towing in high temperatures? Like say 30 degrees c plus? I guess the fan should kick in when the engine is getting very hot and under extreme load. But this should not happen all that often....

I would be getting your coolling system checked out...

Cheers

James
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Reply By: Jumma - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43
Interesting!

I will give it a good run when the temperature rises again and see what happens.

Mind you - they did try to tell me that the way it was going was normal. So I basically grabbed the mechanic by the ear and took him to one of their new floor models, a 2009 DiD 3.2. I started it and let it run for about 10 minutes with my foot on the accelerator, sitting on 3000 rpm the whole time. The fan came on for about 5 seconds when it first started and then stopped. The temp guage jumped up to mid range after 5-6 minutes and then it sat there. The fan NEVER came on at all. It was a HOT day and theambient temperature was close to 30 degree C. After turning the thing off some 10 mins later - no fan noise. It did NOT kick in at all. Which this is what you would expect!!!!

Now the mitsubishi mechanic tells me that the fan is designed to come on when you first COLD start the motor as it is designed to run until it reaches operating temps. I think this is a load of crap. I think it may have something more to do with when the engine and fan clutch is cold it locks in. After the car starts for a few seconds the clutch disengages and the fan free flows with any natural air flow or perhaps flows at a minimum speed. This scenario makes more sense to me. Why would the fan run to reach operating temps? The engine is cold.....Not sure where they get some of these guys from!!!!

Anyhow, after I give the car a good run I will post back up....

Yeah - I could imagine running in HOT weather, uphill, boat on the back etc that the fan probably should come on - but NOT driving down the freewy at 110ks in 25-30 degree temps!!!!

I would like to talk to someone from MM Australia, but they do all their dealing through dealerships.... I would like to talk to a MM designer/engineer who knows the design philosophy... Als - I wonder if other Diesels ie landcruiser, hilux, rodeo etc have the same issues???

Cheers

James
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Follow Up By: jeep cherokee - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:04

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:04
Hi James. I recently had an issue with my KJ Jeep 2.8 TD. It was over heating going up a long steep hill and i was towing our caravan (1400kg). Half way up (approx 2km) it was so close to the red mark, i pulled over to let it cool down.
As it was still under the used car warranty i took it back to the dealer and they replaced the thermo viscous fan hub assembly.It seems the fan was not kicking in as the temps rose.Bear in mind the ambient temp at the time was only 17 deg.
Last weekend while Adelaide was scorching in 42.7 deg heat we went up a longer hill and had to pull over again,however i feel this time it was due to the excessive outside temp as vehicles that were not towing were also pulling over.
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Reply By: Chambo - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 14:44

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 14:44
Hi James,

I've just replaced the viscous hub in my 4.2TD GU Patrol. It was locked on all the time after our recent Kimberley trip. According to the instructions on the box for the new one, the fan could run locked for up to 8 minutes before freewheeling. After driving it for a while, I thought it was faulty and was going to return it as it seemed to always be on. My neighbour who is a 4WD mechanic borrowed it for a day and said that it was perfect. I guess I just wasn't used to having one that worked properley as before the old one became locked, it would never lock in and I was having overheating problems as well towing up long hills.

It will be interesting to see how it goes over Christmas as we are heading up to sydney along the coast.

Cheers,

Glenn
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 14:50

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 14:50
I went for a run today... interestingly enough on COLD start the fan did not kick in at all, so no noise. The temp here was around 19-20 degrees c at the time but I drove and even held the gears and kept the revs up to warm it up a bit, but the fan did not kick in at all, which is great news!!! I sat and let it idle for a while and still no problem.

Mine has never overheated yet, and the temp guage always seems to sit about mid way once warmed up.

Glenn - Maybe the clutch is different on the one for the Patrol? As I said mine did not seem to lock in at all today when I cold started today. Which it was always doing before!

Need to try again in hotter weather, maybe tomorrow, I travel to Sydney (80ks) on Thrusday, so that might be the big test and it is going to be mid to high 20's then...

Cheers

James
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Reply By: Jumma - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 15:53

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 15:53
OK - now I am getting really annoyed with this issue!

I went for a fish this morning and I got in the car afterwards at about lunch time and started it. The fan noise was there immediately. The temp guage was reading 25 degree c for outside ambient temp. I dorve for a while - to Maccas to get some lunch, about 2 ks away. The noise remained and never went away. Sitting in drive through it stayed and continued all the way home for another 3 or so km.

Now I certainly was not towing anything up a hill in hot weather!!!!! 25 degrees is not hot as far as I am concerned. The car was hardly working at all.... There must still be something wrong!

Oh well - back to MM

James
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:59

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:59
Decided to go straight through to MM Customer Relations Manager - three page email with all the issues and events listed. Hopefully I will now get some decent customer service, instead of being fobbed off and told there is nothing wrong with the car......

Grrrrrrr - frustrating.

James
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 18:01

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 18:01
Somewhat a silly question....Doesn't air in the system translocate to the high point of the cooling system eventually? I would have thought that with the channels in the engine block large enough etc, there wouldn't be any air blockages in such a system.

Does that sound logical or am i missing something obvious?

Here i was thinking they just poor the stuff in and bob's ya uncle. LOL.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:00

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:00
No such thing as a silly question.......

I am not a mechanic or an automotive/mechanical engineer however logic would suggest that the fluid runningthrough the cooling system of a car would have to travel at a reasonable rate of flow in order to shift the required volume of coolant around to allow effective dissipation of the heat in the engine and components. I also imagine that air induced in such a system flowing at a high rate would be broken up into smaller bubbles and become a bubble stream. Perhaps the bubbles would rise (as they are less dense compared to the coolant) when the system is at rest. This might also occur faster when the coolant is hot as it first of all would have a lower viscosity at temperature and the air bubbles would expand and rise faster when they are "hot air".

So when you say eventually - I guess when the system stops for a period of time the air will rise and form larger air pockets in all the higher points in the system. Mind you that doesn't mean at the cap of the radiator, it may be in a bend or something.... So yes in this scenario the air does translocate in multiple instances throughout the system.

Unless of course the system is designed to have ONE high point where all the air can be trapped...like at say a bleeder valve, like the opposite of a fuel/water separator. You would think it sensible for this to be an inherent part of the design!!!!!

Well - some food for thought, since we are looking at logic.

Anyhow - Not sure how this helps the issue I am having with the car. They have apparently sorted the air in the system out and they are going to take the car for another day next Monday....Painful!

It will also be escalated to MM technical support (finally) and hopefully there will be an answer and a solution....

Cheers

James

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:30

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:30
Thanks James,

I hope you have some success one year with your problem ;) For something that sounds simple, and with a wealth of engineers and mechanics/technicans, surely it can't be that hard to fix.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:39

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 20:39
Yes - you wouldn't think it that difficult for the experts to fix such a problem in a mass produced production car....I hope it is this year at the least Andrew.

Cheers

James
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Follow Up By: bms - Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 22:54

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 22:54
James we had the same issue (exactly) as your's in our last Triton 2007 DiD and all they did was put a new viscous hub into it and problem solved !!!
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:53

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:53
Yeah - they have done that. New hub, new fan, removed air from coolant etc.

Driving home from Sydney today - 30 degrees c, fan was running most of the way home, and then when I slowed down, it was going on and off... still very noisy.... So it's back to MM on Monday for another look at it!!!

James
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 16:09

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 16:09
There is an interesting article on Viscous Fans in Diesel motors here:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FZX/is_9_65/ai_57044400/pg_3/?tag=content;col1

It would appear that the viscous fan is driven by the temperature of the air passing through to it from the radiator. It has a temperature sensot at the front, forward facing face of the metal hub which engages and disengages the fan clutch (fluid clutch) when the temperature changes.

Also a fan that operates too often, or when not really required can increase your fuel costs considerably.

So I have another question to anyone with a 2008 3.2L diesel 5 spd manual triton (mine has a low rise canopy on the back also) like mine...

Q1 - what fuel economy figures are you getting around town and town/highway cycle?? I am getting closer to 12 around town and 9-10 on the freeway with some town driving.....

How about you?

Q2 - does your fan come on often, around town, or constantly when cruising on the freeway at 100k/hr in say 25-30 degree celcius temperatures??? Is it really noisy... 'cause mine is!

Q3 - Does it feel like it is really engaging on full a lot and does it feel like it is really zapping the available power of your car upon acceleration??

I know some here have said that they have never heard their fan, some have said only under extreme conditions when towing, in high temperatures up hill... which I would expect!!!

I am trying to get a comparison... to talk to MM about..

Thanks for your help in advance!

James
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Follow Up By: Jumma - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 15:50

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 15:50
Now I have MM calling me to say that the dealer (who is MM representative - I like how they pass the buck!!!) has reported that the fan is totally normal. I explained once again to them that I don't believe the fan should be coming on intermittently at very short traffic stops in 23-25 degrees c temperatures with no load (no hills, no heat, no towing etc)....

Now what I am looking for is a comparison - How many DiD owners 2007/08/09 have had their fan come on either constantly in normal highway driving (cruising) conditions with no load on the engine in say 28-30 degrees C?

Or does your fan come on intermittently in 23-25 degrees c when driving through normall traffic, especially when you stop (even for 20-30 seconds) at traffic lights??

How normal is my car??? That is what I am looking for.... It seems a bit over the top to have this huge, noisy fan locking in full swing when the car should barely be hot at all....

I know some of you have had the fan on when the temperatures are up around 40 degrees C and towing etc up hill ... this is acceptable, but not simply cruising in my opinion!

Your replies would be MOST appreciated...

Thanks

James
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Follow Up By: gbdid - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 17:04

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 17:04
I know its really a pajero forum but you may get some help asking the question here.
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/index.php
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Follow Up By: gbdid - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 17:07

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 17:07
Or here where under the mitsubishi forum there is a Triton forum.
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/
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Follow Up By: wicket - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 10:18

Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 10:18
this is the forum that will probably give you some relevant info

http://www.newtriton.net/
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