Under car grass fire tip

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:32
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There was a discussion a while back about grass catching fire under off road vehicles and the advantage of carrying a spray bottle of water to extinguish them.

A hint I heard last night at CFA was to add a little washing up detergent to thewater to make it more effective, it is absorbed quicker into dry grass and acts as a fire retardant foam.

Just thought I would pass the hint on.
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Reply By: Member - DW (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:53

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:53
Hi

It is possible for vehicles to collect too much grass underneath. I had an experience with an old diesel LC with grass and wheat stubble building up underneath. Luckily, I had the burning smell before the fire.
One of the worst culprits is to drive petrol vehicles into dry grass. Even the poor cops have lost cars doing this. It happened near Tamworth a few years ago and caused a good grass fire. It is usually the catalytic converter that causes the extra heat.
The soap in the water acts as a wetter to make it wetter, if possible, and it can also be used with Roundup to make it stick on garden weeds more. If you can get foam out it will help smother the fire. Remember the triangle of a fire is made up fuel, heat and oxygen and if one of those items is removed it helps a lot.
Pays to check under and around the vehicle if you have been in long grass, especially where guards can collect debris. Also the radiator can be full of it, too.
DW
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Reply By: Fab72 - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:10

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:10
Warm cans of beer can be used as fire extiguishers too. Shake them up and the foam spray works to snuff out the fire.

This should be used as a last resort.Water might be precious, but a wasted beer is unfathomable. ;)
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:20

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:20
you know I am going to have nightmares now !!!!!!


Could I just drink the beer and use the byproducts ?


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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:00

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:00
You could, but usually with an under vehicle fire you haven't got much time to wait around for the byproducts to become available
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:06

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:06
Precautionary Preventative drinking? ( by the passenger of course :-)
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:10

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:10
Thanks , a helpful tip !

I just use detergent in my windscreen washers , makes me wonder if it might not be feasible to fit an alternate nozzle to washer bottle and use washers to direct a spray onto a hot spot.
I guess washers are more powerful than my 12v showerhead.

Might be small but could represent another use for something I always carry , Thoughts ?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:55

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:55
Now thats a good idea! You might have to attach an additional spray motor and direct the line to where the most likely fire might happen. Then you could wire the motor up to a 12v timer and when driving through grass you could spray the effected areas on a regular basis. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:31

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:31
Having a rig that was formerly a wagon, but is now a dual cab, I am in the fortunate position of having the rear window washer not required.

So, I have re-routed the hose that used to go to the rear....it now sits in front of the radiator and i can squirt some extra cooling over the front of the radiator if i ever need to. This idea started from wanting to add washers to the headlights (which I've converted to HID and which therefore need washers to be legal).....but I've never actually got around to perfecting that idea (yet).

So, the question is.....how many of us would get more use from the washer that is designed for the rear window, if it was re-designed to squirt onto a known hot spot under the rig? It could be done with a simply "T" junction near the washer bottle......have it aligned to the back window when driving in non-bush setting/s, but be able to turn a tap so that that washer water goes to the hot spot when we're on bush tracks etc. Very simple to do.

My only concern would be that those washer bottles are not very large and I wouldn't think it would take very long before the water was depleted....maybe a separate & bigger bottle would be needed.

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:02

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:02
Really, HID headlights must have washers?! Why is that?
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 15:03

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 15:03
We carry a small spray bottle in our vehicle to assist with an instant cool after re-entering the vehicle from the heat.
Simply spray yourself and turn the air con on and you get a real quick cool.
These bottles can also be set to stream water and would also assist with fire retardation.

I carry also a fire extinguisher powder type and used it once to put out an engine bay fire in a fellow travelers car and boy although it put the fire out quickly it sure made a big mess.

I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Cheers Dodg.

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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:48

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:48
I say 2 kids doing this in a datsun 120Y a few years back on a stinking hot day

Windows down driving at Max speed ( of 80kph ) and spraying each other to keep cool.

Looked like a good idea ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:05

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:05
The trouble with a dry-chemical powder extinguisher for grass fires is that it doesn't really cool things down much so they can quickly re-ignite. They work by removing the oxygen which suffocates the fire, but in the open air the oxygen is quickly replaced and with the heat and fuel still in place, the fire can return.
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:12

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 20:12
The are still better than nothing and will also give you time to get a water pump set up and working.

Dry powder will knock the fire down quickly the problem as you say is re ignition.

If you only have seconds to react use whatever comes to hand first and sort out the details later :-)
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Reply By: madcow - Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 08:22

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 08:22
A little bit off topic but if you add some detergent to the bottle when spraying weeds it will help stop the "runoff" and get through the waxy coating on leaves
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 09:57

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 09:57
That works but if you want a really HOT weedkiller dissolve some ammonia nitrate based fertilizer with your roundup and also add detergent.

It makes an industrial strength killer for large areas.

Ammonia Nitrate fertilizers are difficult to find now because of the other uses for it ;-(
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Reply By: austastar - Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:35

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:35
Hi,
saw a post some where a normal water extinguisher that was pressurised with a normal tire inflation valve was pressed into service for traveling.
It could be used for all sorts of things like washing down the kids as well.
It was stored on one of the side racks on a camper trailer ready for emergency use when driving.
cheers
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:44

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:44
A smallish one of those would be good

Detergent could work on the kids too :-)
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Follow Up By: farmer112 - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 00:05

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 00:05
Hi austastar,

I know the type of fire extinguisher you are talking about. They are in wide use in the United States. I once owned one, but they are of very poor quality. Mine had a corrosion problem and was leaking. I dumped it as I feared it may blow if I put pressure on it. :-(
Due to my experience with this stuff I would not recommend it for use under 4WD conditions (vibrations etc.).

Some types of detergent, especially the real fire fighting foam additives, are quite corrosive and should only be used in pressure devices which are made for these conditions. Especially in the type of fire extinguisher named above there is high risk of corrosion.

The idea to add some detergent into the garden spray is very good. I know from practice that detergent acts as a wetting agent and enables the water to better penetrate a burning surface, as I am a fire protection engineer.

IMPORTANT: A garden spray should be seen as an additional fire extinguisher and should not replace the dry chemical fire extinguisher which is needed to extinguish a fire in the engine bay which involves liquid fuels.

Stay safe!

Cheers from bl..dy cold and boring Dortmund/Germany,

Juergen
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (WA) - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:06

Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:06
In Bunnings the other day and they had a small battery powered (2 AA I think) pump/nozzle that you could fit into any of the 4 litre (wetting agent/weed killer) containers and I thought it may be good as a under car grass fire extinguisher.

cheers Dave
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 20:31

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 20:31
A fine spray pump pot is also useful for window & people washing.

KK
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