Toyota 2007 GXL V8 problems
Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:14
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Stuart G
I own a GXL 2007 Ute and I started to notice a knock in the engine and a lack of power(some time cannot pull a trailer with a combined weight of about 1.5 T) at about 30,000km and took it to my local Toyota dealer, after testing it a number of times they eventually found it was the N0 8 injector. I was amazed when they said it will take 3 weeks for the part to arrive from Japan. Now I live in
Townsville NQ, its a nice place but I didn't,t think it is so isolated. Any way it has been 5 weeks now and no answer on when the part will arrive. I even rang Toyota customer care and after ringing them on a number of times (as no-one bother to ring back). I think this is appalling considering that there are so many on the Land cruiser V8s on the roads. Has anyone found that Toyota is so slow on supply spare parts or it this a one off. If anyone is considering buying a Land cuiser please take this into account, I don't know if I will buy another?
Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:44
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:44
Current hilux injectors are a 2 week wait to Bundy.
Tell em to remove one from a showroom vehicle or
park out the front with a
sign on the vehicle, that will get them moving.
Cheers
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 17:28
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 17:28
Just what I would be doing!!
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:57
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:57
The Diesel Injector issue is turning out to be huge IMO. Just hope this doesn't happen outside of warranty, $1000 per injector.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 14:36
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 14:36
Yeah, Hilux and prado too maybe all the same injectors..or maybe our crappy fuel here in oz.
I read somewhere that a company (maybe Denso or similar) is tooling up to be able to repair and rebuild all common rail injectors (toyota, nissan etc) in oz as there is currently no one that can do it.
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 15:54
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 15:54
One of the reasons I'll stick with old low tech diesel engines for a while yet.
My understanding is that these electronic common rail injectors are not serviceable full stop, once blocked or gummed up with crud then they must be replaced.
Is this correct?
As another poster stated I also heard that someone was getting the gear to service them but they still can't clean/service them just fit new tips.
Is this also correct?
To my way of thinking Toyota and other companies saying dirty fuel caused the problem is a load of bulldust, surely their inferior filtration is to blame for letting the crap through into the injectors in the first place.
If the injectors need fuel to be filtered to XXX standard then surely the standard fuel filters should do this, if they don't then Toyota etc are liable for any repairs or replacements!!
Have also heard that if new injectors are fitted then they have to be "matched" to the ECU in the vehicle and currently not very many stealers have the gear to do it, is this also true?
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 15:58
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 15:58
The hilux injectors need to be mated to the ecu so I would say the others would have to as
well. All it takes is a full ecu reset not just a battery disconnect as this only does a partial reset.
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 17:52
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 17:52
Its a small world Stuart.
I too live in
Townsville. When I had the Patrol, every time I wanted a part they said they had to get it in, sometimes from Japan. I soon learned how to
shop for parts on the Internet, most times within 48 hours, they were delivered to my door in an airbag at close to half the price dealer wanted.
Go figure ...
Malcolm
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 17:54
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 17:54
BUT WARRANTY is another matter .....
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Reply By: viz - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 19:19
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 19:19
Give Australian Fuel Injection in
Sydney a call 02 9897 9922. The deal in after-market fuel injection systems (amongst other things). Not sure if they are stocked up on later model diesel systems but worth a try. Talk to Nick or Peter if you can...
viz
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Reply By: Serendipity (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 19:57
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 19:57
Hi Stuart
I have a GXL 2007 ute as
well. I have already had the No. 7 injector replaced under warranty. It did take a few weeks to get in from memory. It started to fail about 15000 but by 30000k it sounded like a little chinaman trying to get out of the motor with a hammer every morning.
Also had the seal in the oil scavenging pump replaced as a recognised oil consumption issue with toyota. Not all V8s have the oil issue.
Other than that I have had a great run out of my ute. My local dealer has been helpful and efficient. Good enough so I would recommend them.
Something you should be made aware of. Since the fuel companies have reduced the sulphur in diesel fuel there has been issues with excessive noise and excessive wear in the fuel system. There is a lot of talk on 4x4 websites on the use of two stroke oil in your diesel to help compensate this issue. This is the website that started the discussion 3 years ago and is still running now. The comments on this website have been picked up all over the internet and discussed at length.
http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878.html?highlight=oil
I am doing this in my V8 and it does work. Only up to my 4th tankful now but I have noticed considerable difference in noise - that injector rattle you often hear. And a margin increase in economy and power. According to my scan guage fuel economy has improved by about 4% to 5%.
I am hoping this will also look after my injectors and I will not have any more issues down the track.
Read the
forum on the issue and any others that you find in a google search and make your own assessment.
David
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Follow Up By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:19
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:19
Good tip there David.
I will try it in my diesel ride on mower. It is out of warranty so should be a good candidate.
My 2009 GXL cruiser is still under 30,000k and a lot of warranty left so I will see what happens with the mower first. No problems with the injectors in the cruiser so far. I keep ALL my fuel dockets for the inevitable day that will come.
Flynnie
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Follow Up By: Serendipity (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:41
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:41
Hi Flynnie
Quite understandable - after first hearing about this I took a while. I suggest reading widely on forums to get feedback from anyone. And I can appreciate not doing anything like this on a very new car. It would cause anyone to hesitate.
My cruiser is now over 50000k. I read every web
forum I could find on this subject - which there are quite a few. They all eventually refer back to that one original
forum. One even quotes a company that researched all diesel additives. Most do nothing or even harm your engine with wear. (and this website is also quoted on the freelander site. - I can't remember just where.)
There are some commercial additives that work but they are very expensive. Two stroke oil is deigned to combine with fuel and burn cleanly while lubricating. And it is the most affordable product to use.
Toyota has a pamphlet out that states they do not support any more than 5% additives to diesel fuel. Adding 200:1 is only 1% additive quite within their own stated tolerances.
David
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Reply By: mowing - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:33
Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 23:33
Refer thread 67194.
It appears all the common rail vehicles have the same problem/cost.
Cheers
Mark
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Reply By: Gronk - Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 09:55
Wednesday, Dec 09, 2009 at 09:55
I have a CRDI and I personally wouldn't use ANYTHING other than the recomended fuel....especially under warranty..
These systems do not like ANY sort of contaniments...even microscopic
water droplets can score the
bore of the injector and stuff it..
Even running out of fuel can be enough to stuff the injector pump....same as forgetting to prime the system after changing a fuel filter..
A lot of the fuel lines ( pipes ) are a once only use.....undo one and it has to be replaced...
Please disregard the above if the new V8 cruiser is not a CRDI.....
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